Its funny to me. They get all paranoid about the government "taking over" but yet they are against the only defense the people would have if the government ever did try to "take over". Ironic you think?

Yea i know imma get the whole "im for handguns but not for AR-15's" bit but what kinda battle do you think it would be if it was American citizens with hand guns vs the government?

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America’s political correctness is a disease that will bring down our once fine nation.

I'm for all of our constitutional rights, including the right to bear arms.

well good for you..but some aren't.

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America’s political correctness is a disease that will bring down our once fine nation.

If the modern "liberal" were actually a liberal, i'd agree with you. Thing is, they arent. They are more facist socio-communists than liberal.

Classic liberalism is what would be considered a libertarian today - and libertarians tend to be fiercely PRO-gun.

My best guess regarding the modern liberal's problem with gun ownership is they know what they are advocating in terms of government is highly anti-freedom and the last thing they want is for the people to be able to forcibly remove them from power.

Oh - one other thing. You asked about what good a handgun would be against an army? Read this

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

I agree with you 100% man. "They are more facist socio-communists than liberal." you hit the nail on the head with that one.

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America’s political correctness is a disease that will bring down our once fine nation.

I agree. Although many gun nuts scare the shit out of me I do not feel that owning guns should be illegal. I agree that some people that are considered to be liberal may feel differently but to lump all people that may have ideas that are not on the right into one group is silly. Many people on the left do not agree on all issues. Just about every democrat running for office in my state are 100% behind the 2nd amendment.

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"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Political ideas do not have to be so far-fetched as to envelop theories of "governments taking over." How about the simple notion that guns are oftentimes used to kill people? Not only am I speaking of homocide; suicide is also much more--and more often--effective.

Personally, I find the name-calling rather debilitating in political discussions; I prefer to find flaws in one's ideas instead.

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So what if they are? Do you really think that making them illegal will stop people from killing others?

Murder has been illegal since Cain bashed in Abel's head with a rock. Hasnt stopped people from doing it though.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

I consider myself a moderate liberal. And to be honest, I like the idea of citizens with weapons. However, I draw the line with automatic weapons and explosives mainly because those are too deadly in the wrong hands.

True, one can still get these weapons illegally, but why make it any easier? I don't see any point for citizens owning automatic weapons or explosives. If anybody has any, just reply.

Please elaborate. Thanks.

Perhaps you could explain why the government is justified in preventing ownership of these items?

You see, i need not justify why i want to own any weapons beyond the simple fact that I want them. Mere ownership infringes upon nobody's rights.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Elaborate on WHAT?

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

I don't know where you get this label or what you think it means, alas, I think it's just a smear tactic, using the three hated political labels.

Can you explain what you mean? Or will you admit it's just name calling?

Here's one more liberal who supports the second amendment right to bear arms.

After all, if these neo-cons get any more crazy I might need it to shoot one. Just kidding of course - a jab at name calling and finger pointing.

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

I created the label myself and it is hardly a smear tactic.

The modern American liberal is most certainly NOT liberal. They advocate socialist and communist ideals and are decidedly fascist in their approach to the control they wish to assert over the people. You may find it offensive, but it is true.

A liberal would be more in line with the modern libertarian. Someone who's political philosophy can effectively be distilled to "Do as you wish as long as you dont harm another or his property"

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.