Do you have an alternative? Do you want to go back to poorhouses and orphanages?

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If you really want to improve the labor migration situation, then we should lobby congress to fund the UN to implement more infrastructure development in the third world. Labor used to build infrastructure in the third world would be unavailable for migration to the first world.

US Citizenship is bestowed upon a person w/o their consent. I'd claim to not be a US citizen but I'd still be put in jail if I refused to purchase the right to exist.

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The beginning of the decline. We're not what we used to be. We owe almost, or according to some as much as double, as much as our combined wealth.

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Why don't you pay for it yourself instead of asking a government to raise the money at the point of a gun? Why must violence against individuals always be the answer?

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As opposed to "shelters" and "foster care"? Yes, I'd like to go back to voluntary funding and the increased efficiency that comes from people being permitted to choose where their money would be best used.

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Bull. There is no way some lameass, UN job programe is going to compete with the lure of the United States economy.

And I find it hard to believe that you truely believe otherwise.

We need the wall.

And,

We need to punish employers.

For starters. Everything else is a distraction from step 1.

Citizen is bestowed upon people by virtue of the social contract known as the US constitution. Anyone born anywhere else, may not be able to claim US citizenship. Perhaps, you could petition the UN for UN citizenship.

It is somewhat deceptive to blame the welfare-state for warfare-state incurred debt. What other metric do you use to form your opinion of current or previous US greatness?

Because we can always ask the UN to build walls around UN preserves to keep out the more violent types? Your arguement is somewhat suspect, since you don't mind the use of warfare-state weapons to advance a very limited objective that has never worked in the history of mankind. Are you sure you are not a schill for the special interest of defence contractors?

I am not sure how you reached your conclusion. Similar "lameass" US social programs put millions of Americans to work during the socialist New Deal programs.

Labor costs are only a small part of the consumer cost of fruit; see for instance Low-paid illegal work force has little impact on prices. The more illegal aliens that we allow to come here, the more anchor babies/mixed-status families there will be. If you want to prevent such problems, you're forced to either declare completely open borders, or enforce our immigration laws. As for the pears_rotting_on_the_trees claim, there might be another explanation.

They can sell us fruit and take their apple money and buy thier own damned infrastructure. We don't have any more money. We're in debt up to our eyeballs buddy. These Mexicans should stay home and DEMAND things of their own leaders instead of from US. Why the hell does Juarez look like it does? Want another Tiajuana in California? Send these thieves home, now, or string them up in the town square like the thieves they are.

OK, firing squad, leathal injection, whatever. Become a stowaway in the USA and DIE. Deterrence! They think jumping the border is the path to a quick buck. They should learn it leads right into the GRAVE.

Sieze the assets of the collaberators too! If they didn't employ them, they wouldn't be here. Treat the employers like drug smugglers. After all, they are simply smuggling people. Sieze their property and sell it on the courthouse steps. Make illegal labor so expensive that no one can afford it.

Bush and his anti-american collaberators in Congress. They passed this phoney "build a wall" bill. The truth is, Bush already had the authority to build it, and the INS already had the money. He and the liberals and big business collaberated to pass this BS immigration bill. These people need to DIE. Those who employ them need to go to JAIL and LOSE their PROPERTY.