They could be contributing with market friendly identification metrics if they were issuing work permits.

They can contribute with all the maket friendly metrics of issuing work permits they want, as long as those permits were for work in their own country in an attempt to improve the living standard of their own people. Since that is not likely to be the case I see no reason why we should extend any more of a consideration to their people than they do themselves.

As someone else told you those of us that have already been through college are very familiar with the "baffle em with bullshit" approach to debating. If you are just getting to that stage I might suggest you change your approach as most professors see right through it. If you are already past that stage then you didn't learn much while you were there and I see no reason to expect any better now.

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Why would they need to issue work permits for labor market participants in their own country? All I am saying is that if the US were to grant work visas, the originating countries could help by ensuring the availability of identification friendly metrics. In any case, the US interstate has authority over interstate migrant labor market participation and should implement more market friendly migrant labor policy to improve trade relations, and to reduce public sector costs.

As I have said repeatedly when they do more to actually improve the conditions for thier people in their own country instead of using us as a pressure valve we can talk. until then you my firend are in a serious minority on this issue and are likely to stay that way. If you look at what is important to Americans border control is high on the list.

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What kinds of conditions are you talking about? How does being able to raise revenue from more efficient public policy detract from having more identification friendly metrics on migrant labor market participants? It seems, to me, that border security would be better enforced if we had better relations with our next door trading partners.

Labor market participation would be my guess. Why else would black market labor participants be willing to pay one thousand five hundred dollars (for a conduit to the black markets) , or more, if not for the opportunity recover their costs and then some. It seems that the public sector could be generating that revenue with more market friendly public policy rather than to allow the black market to generate that revenue due to less effecient command economics.

Again, you didn't answer the question & it was your original statement. We have a 4,000 mile border with Mexico. Building fences doesn't work. Just drive down to El Paso, & you can see gaping holes in the fences that are already there. If someone really wants into a country, they're going to get in eventually.

What we need is more patrol, national guard & electronic surveillance. And we need a more friendly attitude & easier access to visas for Mexicans to come into this country to work legally. That would dramactically reduce the problem.

That's right they come here because they either can't get jobs at home or the ones they can get do not pay enough to keep them alive. So the Mexican, and lets stick with just that one segment of the illegal issue for the moment, government not only allows but makes it easy for people to leave the country - Why do you suppose that is?

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With all respect, a visa program means nothing if you cannot control who is crossing your borders.

I agree that a physical barrier is not the magic fix. But until we combine physical barriers (where appropriate) with adequate electronic and human surveillance and interdiction, all other talk of immigration reform is just blowing smoke.

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Ok move the fence back 5 feet it will be ALL on the American side of the border, case closed.

Who the fuck does Fox think he is telling us what we can and cant build on our soil?

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I must have done something right cause you just made my point.

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They could make it even easier to leave that country if they issued work permits. They could also be generating revenue on anyone who wants to work in the US.

Mexico can't issue work permits for the US, and the problem is inside Mexico not the US.

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@ daniel,

Sorry it has taken so long for me to get my response to you regarding how much enforcing laws to make the illegal immigrant problem go away. I formerly had quite a few sources that showed estimates for costs on simply enforcing the law, but I've apparently lost many of them...here is one of them that I've been able to find.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/back406.html

"It puts enforcement costs for such a plan at about $2 billion, or $400 million per year – an increase of less than 1 percent of the President’s 2007 budget request for the Department of Homeland Security ($42.7 billion)."

One simple measure along with any of it could be to require businesses to make a toll free call to the Social Security Admin. to match the SS numbers.
BTW, I think you have quite an inside-out outlook on how legislation should be handled in the US. Just because it makes us money does not mean it supercedes our sovereignty being trampled on.

What do you think of Mexico asking the UN for assistance with infrastructure development? Any labor used to build roads, bridges, Hoover Dams, etc. would be unavailable for participation in the US market for labor.