I said most if you read the first word.

I don't know. I see a lot of Colorado on a week by week basis when I go down for functions. Any town there with more than forty thousand people there(that I've been to) is likely to vote Democrat.

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Don't you agree that a well regulated militia of people who keep and bear arms would have fewer problems bearing their arms than a mob of less well regulated individuals who keep and bear arms?

That is irrelevant as that is not the meaning of the second amendment. You DO NOT have to be in the militia in order to bear arms. The right to bear arms exists, it is only justified by the need of a militia to ensure a free state. All rights are individual, not collective.

I would argue that it is because our society is properly competitive and properly aggressive... but utterly lacking in discipline, and ironically too afraid of violence to allow our children to properly channel it into socially acceptable forms.

We endorse bullying behavior in our schools-- despite all of the noise we make about fighting it-- praise bullies, and then punish their victims for attempting to defend themselves. Is it any wonder that they retaliate?

I think we would go a long way toward having fewer school shootings if we would 1) demand civilized behavior from all students, 2) teach students how to take care of themselves in a physical confrontation, and 3) recognize that a few brawls are inevitable and make accomodations for them to occur in controlled environments.

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I would have to be shown statistics, which are probably impossible to get, from other countries to say whether the U.S. has more shootings per capita than anyother society.
American events are shown worldwide. Events that happen in other countries mostly are broadcasted in that country alone.

Think back to the thread awhile back on school shootings...a Canadian poster (this was before the Candian event happen) was posting garbage about how these shooting happen in America and it is because of the gun laws etc...when numerous posters came in with several examples of shootings that happened in several European countries that have MUCH stricter gun laws.

Samething - I do not believe these shootings are indicative or in any meaningful way say something about a society as a whole.
There are nuts everywhere.

I think you'd need figures showing what the death rate per thousand head of population was for multiple shootings. Thats probably the most statistically sound way of measuring it. Where you'd get such data I'm not sure.

It's really incredibly low in every single one of the countries whose shooting cases reach the media-- while it's something to be concerned about, it's a very small symptom of what I would consider far greater problems.

For instance, the United States is notorious for its gun violence, and the majority of publicized school shootings occurred here... but American children are still 100 times more likely to die in a swimming pool than by shooting.

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I'd agree completely. I'm much more likely to be killed by a speeding driver than by a terrorist or multiple shooter. That said America does seem to have many more multiple shootings than some other countries, I was just curious as to why that should be so.

How about violence happening to children...wanna start ranking by that?

America, along with Europe, Canada and Australia would all rank at the bottom.

Voilence against Children in countries such as N. Korea, Kenya, Tajikistan, Malaysia etc. render this subject pale.

Almost certainly, but my thought was sparked by the Amish school shooting which happened in America and what with Columbine it just kind of got me musing.

I think this is a little more complex than just saying 'violence against children is worse in these countries'

there is evidence that poverty is a factor in child abuse within families, so it would follow that wealthy nations SHOULD have lower rates of child abuse. In addition, politically unstable states riven with conflict, whether ethnic, caste or religious based, are going to have higher incidences of violence against ALL people.

You mention Kenya, as an example. I don't know why you used this example, but I would be inclined to want to compare incidences of violence against children in different environments, such as refugee camps, refugee dominated shanty towns, urban shantytowns made up of people migrating to city centres, rural communities in western Kenya and rural areas in Eastern Kenya, and middle class urban Kenyans. You would find some interesting differences - including some areas where the incidence of violence against children are significantly lower than overall rates in either the US or Australia - and much lower than among specific groups.

I'd be interested in your definition of violence, too ..

but I'm also not sure how all this relates to multiple shootings in the US.

Is it OK for kids to be shot in schools in the US because there is more violence against children in other countries? I don't follow that line of reasoning.

2 reasons:

The first reason addresses the "seeming." You say "it does seem to be a pretty regular occurance." The reason it seem so is because the anti-gun media loves to show it that way. Already in this thread it has been pointed out that gun deaths are one of the lowest means of death in this country. While anti-gunners cry out for gun control, the truth is you are virtually hundreds of times more likely to die by any other cause than by a gun. Meanwhile, a vast majority of deaths shown by the news media are by a gun.

The second reason addresses the fact that there are multiple shootings. The reason is the fact that there are places where guns are prohibited. Notice that all the mass shootings happens in places like schools, where weapons are not legally allowed. Allow teachers, administrators, school employees, and adult students to be armed and school shootings would virtually dissappear. Allow good people to arm themselves and you allow them to remove their "easy target" status.

looking at your second reason - could you perhaps then explain why there has never been a mass shooting in Australian schools where teachers and administrators do not arm themselves?