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Old 12-08-2006
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I mostly agree with you. The parents of this kid are just as guilty as the shooter in my opinion. If you are going to have kids PARENT the little fuckers don't let 'em run wild.
Most teenagers do stupid shit like that. You think that they should be shot and then their parents tried as murderers?
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If someone is carrying a gun, they should be properly trained in the use of deadly force. If they're properly trained in the use of deadly force, they know it's not appropriate to shoot someone because an egg was thrown at their car.

I would've pulled over, chased the little fucker down, and beaten his ass.

The person who shot him should, and hopefully will, be charged with murder.

And, if you're wondering, I'm a gun owner, and I've been properly trained in the use of deadly force...
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If someone is carrying a gun, they should be properly trained in the use of deadly force. If they're properly trained in the use of deadly force, they know it's not appropriate to shoot someone because an egg was thrown at their car.

I would've pulled over, chased the little fucker down, and beaten his ass.

The person who shot him should, and hopefully will, be charged with murder.

And, if you're wondering, I'm a gun owner, and I've been properly trained in the use of deadly force...
Agreed. I would have dragged the little bugger home by his ear, and stood there while his mom wrote me a check to cover cleaning/repairs to my car.
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A 14-year-old, who's parents never bothered to teach him the difference between right and wrong, was shot and killed in Ohio. The hooligan, who had nothing better to do, was throwing eggs at passing cars. After he hit an suv, thus vandalizing private property, someone inside shot the boy in the chest. Not only do I approve of this person who killed the teen, if I knew who did it I would send them my personal compliments. S/he was a very good shot. This is why people need to have guns. To eliminate trash like the teen.


(AP) Police: Teen Who Hit SUV With Eggs Slain | WKRN.COM
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Wow. You're absurd.

First of all, I'm fairly confident that you know nothing about this child's parents. I believe that my parents taught me upright ethics, and I still did stupid shit around that age. One of those values I was taught had to do with withholding your judgement of other people because there is little way of truly knowing their position in life - I guess you never learned that one.

Secondly, you failed to note that the article provided clearly says that the SUV chased the boys and fired indiscriminately at them. Just because one kid died does not mean that the person was only aiming for one, nevermind the one that through the egg (chances are the driver did not even see who threw it - that is part of the prank).

And lastly, I find it confusing how you agree with the death penalty for teenage vandals but you believe that murderers of teenage vandals should be praised as civil servants. So vigilantism that conforms to your own values is good, I see. Do you believe in the rule of law? Or the rule of the strong?

I'm curious how you are so taken by the character of the shooter, too. That this person killed a young boy because of a prank is not very flattering. Just hypothetically, how would your position change if it was found that the very person you are praising turned out to be a drunk or a drug dealer or a thief or a vandal?

A citizen's arrest would have been the only thing necessary here. Detain the kids, call the cops, and explain what happened. Now hopefully this person is arrested themselves and convicted of murder.
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Just hypothetically, how would your position change if it was found that the very person you are praising turned out to be a drunk or a drug dealer or a thief or a vandal?
Or his neighbour? I can picture reino devastated at the idea that his neighbour could have a revenge for that time when he invited a few friends and partied until 11 p.m.
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Hmm... what do you recommend for people that wanted to but never did? Perhaps a good stabbing or the loss of a limb? What physical brutality helped cleanse the evil thoughts from your head?
You could at least reserve your pathetic attempts of sarcasm at arguments I've actually made. I've never said thoughts of crimes were prosecutable. Your thinking of the White House.
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Exactly. Just as it says in Exodus - "An eye for a bit of a mess." I agree with you that what our society needs is a lot more armed and enraged people grossly over-reacting to minor things.

Your kid won't eat his veggies? Chop off one of his fingers.
Your kid comes home after curfew? Lock him in a cage with a rabid Great Dane.
Your kid puts sugar in your gas-tank? Water-board his ass.
And, if some punk kid that just got his license hits an animal in the street? Tie him down and apply red hot pokers to his genitals.

And, for terrorists, I can't even imagine what you would suggest. My guess is probably the execution, torture and repeated gang-rape of anyone related to or friends with them - especially children. I bet nothing makes you angrier than how soft Rumsfeld, et. al. want to go on terrorists. Or, is it just ordinary teenagers that you feel deserve to be the recipients of disproportionate violence?
Most of those you mentioned aren't even crimes. I thought varrus was a little slow on the uptake but you are really giving him competition.
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Wow. You're absurd.

Just hypothetically, how would your position change if it was found that the very person you are praising turned out to be a drunk or a drug dealer or a thief or a vandal?

A citizen's arrest would have been the only thing necessary here. Detain the kids, call the cops, and explain what happened. Now hopefully this person is arrested themselves and convicted of murder.

My position would only change in the fact that the driver himself was commiting a crime if he were driving while drunk. That doesn't change the fact that the kid was commiting a crime and that if he wasn't shot then he would have gotten away with it altogether.

You know damn well that if he was placed under "citizen's arrest" the driver would have faced civil charges and the kid and his friends wouldn't learn their lesson.
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Or his neighbour? I can picture reino devastated at the idea that his neighbour could have a revenge for that time when he invited a few friends and partied until 11 p.m.
Is having a party in and of itself a crime? Maybe playing music too loud.
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I live by the philosophy of "you never know who's got a gun". That doesn't mean I let people do whatever they want, but seriously. This teen got what he deserved.
BS. You sound like Robert now. Your attitude in this matter puts you on my sh--------

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This wasn't a child, and it wasn't murder. He was a young adult.
The kid wasn't a "young adult"! He was barely out of puberty! I'm all for carrying a gun but not to kill a kid for throwing eggs at a car. Sure, he's old enough to know right from wrong but the death penalty for throwing eggs? Get real!
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My position would only change in the fact that the driver himself was commiting a crime if he were driving while drunk. That doesn't change the fact that the kid was commiting a crime and that if he wasn't shot then he would have gotten away with it altogether.

You know damn well that if he was placed under "citizen's arrest" the driver would have faced civil charges and the kid and his friends wouldn't learn their lesson.
For all we know right now, the kid wasn't even the one who committed the crime. We have no evidence either way, whether it was him or his friends.

Now, assuming that this was the kid that committed the crime, the shooter also committed a crime - a much more serious one. What do you prefer? A punk kid that gets away with vandalism or a dead punk kid that doesn't get away with vandalism? Another question: has this really taught the other kids anything? If it did, was the lesson worth it in your opinion?

Neither you nor I know what would happen if the driver attempted to perform a citizen's arrest - we do know that this driver opted to commit murder instead, though. At least, that is what any sensible and lawful judge would rule.
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Most of those you mentioned aren't even crimes. I thought varrus was a little slow on the uptake but you are really giving him competition.
Do you think that issuing insults in lieu of any pretense of reasonable argument will help take the focus off of your sadism? You claim that a child deserves the death penalty for a misdemeanor and you praise vigilante justice.

You're not going to worm out of your disgusting statements by insinuating that anyone not on board with you is "slow on the uptake". And, by the way, I'm sure you've given the good folks on the board an ironic chuckle with that particular nugget of gratuitous ad hominem abusive.

But that's okay. We'll go slowly for my enfeebled brain. Why don't you explain to me, using basic logic, why children should be executed for misdemeanor crimes. And, since you seem to want the technicality of a crime having been committed to justify your glee at children being blown away, here is a revised list (let us all know what you think):

Children J-Walking: Horsewhipping in public.
Children caught with marijuana: Hands cut off.
Children peeing in the bushes: Castration.
Children stealing hood ornaments: Death by garrote.
Children getting into fist fights: Burning alive.

And, it goes without saying, of course, that all of these penalties should be enacted without the bother of a judge and jury and by whichever citizen happens to be in a position to dole out swift and terrible justice.

Any objections to these penalties, for those of us who lack the formidable intellect required to squeal with Christmas-morning delight when a child is shot to death?
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Wow, that's a little over the top. I could see if they were throwing molotov cocktails but eggs? Vigilantism isn't so bad, when the crime deserves the punishment. If the driver had chased the kid down and punched him one good time that'd be more appropriate than popping him in the chest. Or if he wanted to do the right legal thing he could have detained the kid and called the cops. I seriously doubt that a case would go anywhere against the driver for detaining a vandal till the cops show up.
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Do you think that issuing insults in lieu of any pretense of reasonable argument will help take the focus off of your sadism? You claim that a child deserves the death penalty for a misdemeanor and you praise vigilante justice.

You're not going to worm out of your disgusting statements by insinuating that anyone not on board with you is "slow on the uptake". And, by the way, I'm sure you've given the good folks on the board an ironic chuckle with that particular nugget of gratuitous ad hominem abusive.

But that's okay. We'll go slowly for my enfeebled brain. Why don't you explain to me, using basic logic, why children should be executed for misdemeanor crimes. And, since you seem to want the technicality of a crime having been committed to justify your glee at children being blown away, here is a revised list (let us all know what you think):

Children J-Walking: Horsewhipping in public.
Children caught with marijuana: Hands cut off.
Children peeing in the bushes: Castration.
Children stealing hood ornaments: Death by garrote.
Children getting into fist fights: Burning alive.

And, it goes without saying, of course, that all of these penalties should be enacted without the bother of a judge and jury and by whichever citizen happens to be in a position to dole out swift and terrible justice.

Any objections to these penalties, for those of us who lack the formidable intellect required to squeal with Christmas-morning delight when a child is shot to death?
Children fist fighting isn't a crime. I understand how your self proclaimed feeble mind is struggling. So yes I would object to one of those.

People having a stance different than my own doesn't mean they are slow on the uptake, however, please explain to me how the following are criminal acts:
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These are things you seem to think are criminal acts. I hope to God you don't breed. Question about the curfew one. Is it one of those government issued curfews like they have in Iraq? Is it one of those parental curfews?
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