I'm thinking you got it right there.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

And you sound like the homicidal loony sort yourself. Whats your point? You just want me to sit back and listen to hogs insults? I don't, at any rate.

As for my position, I already pointed out why I don't agree. Whether you agree or not again, is a moot point.

But it does avoid the disturbing situation of taxing the victum to pay for the culprit's room, board and medical care...

This all seems very subjective. Who gets to decide what we have a "right" to do? What about people who feel that permenant confinement is wrong and that we have no right to lock up another human being?

Couldn't the same apply to putting a kidnapper in prison? They took someone else and held them against their will, so the state takes them and holds them against their will.
How different are the sentencers be from the sentenced then?

All punishment will result in doing something negative to the guilty party.

Yes, you've said that but you haven't really explained why. You HAVE given some reasons why it is pratical to confine people in prisons (to protect society) but executing them is also pratical (more so, really).

Is there any reason other than that it just "seems wrong"?



Actually I'm undecided on this issue, so I'm just playing devil's advocate. I would love to see an alternative to the death penalty.

Which you dont have a lot of.

Consequences are one thing, death is another.

And you get to kill a criminal and do exactly the same thing he did?

And you have the right to decide the consequences? Or to hang him publicy from a rope?

What you like or not is moot. This wasn't about speeding tickets anyway.

This about says it all. Brilliant! I don't think there is any need to continue the discussion myself, given our seperate views.

Wasn't 2 + 2 = 0?

Says you.

Then don't continue it. Given your feelings on the issue, I too think a discussion is pointless.

Well, many many years ago they used to cut their brains apart and make them walking veggies....

When it comes to Murder, Child molestation and Rape, I have “NO” compassion what’s so ever !

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

What?
You start a thread and ask for input but then are not willing to discuss with those who have different views ?

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

Well, if it is all so subjective, then who gets to decide who has a right to kill another person?

Reason? It's plain and simple - I don't approve of killing others, in any circumstance. In my opinion, vigilante justice isn't something modern society should encourage (ie. he killed person A, so person C kills him). Clint Eastwood movies are great, but it doesnt work that way in real life.

But then I'm not a gun toting right winger like many on this particular thread ...

OK, I can understand what you're saying and why....But the problem is that there are many who just do not want to live or maintain themselves in this modern society.....Placing them in jail isn't the answer (I'm speaking of hard criminals) so what is the answer ?

We could always place them on an island with no food or shelter and watch some real survival TV shows.....

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

It isnt subjective at all.
So then, if your spouse or child were being attacked, you'd simply stand by and let them die?
We arent discussing vigilante justice now are we? We're discussing the legitimate use of the death penalty for a crime. Nice to see you equate the two.
No, you're a pacifist lefty who wants to use the power of the state to force others to have no ability to defend themselves, because after all, YOU dont believe in killing others - and you must force your views upon them.

Frankly sir, your kind makes me sick. You want the state to do your dirty work while pretending to take the moral high ground. Can you say "hypocrite"?

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Actually, if you peruse Eric's post, that is exactly what HE said too. You are selectively quoting. Here, let me quote for you: -

- I simply responded to that.

I am more than happy to ask for input, but not to be insulted such as I was by first hoggie, and then Eric.

The answer? As I've been saying, I don't know! I'm undecided on this either way ... I do tend to lean towards not enforcing the penalty, but I'm undecided to be quite honest.

If you notice my first post, I didnt voice an opinion, which I was later attacked for. The reason I didnt voice my opinion was that I was undecided.

So, I dont know what the answer is ... Can I not be undecided for once? I have pretty strong opinions on just about everything else ...

More children should be allowed to watch executions.

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"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

Given that you did not make the statement, I guess it's not, eh?

Absolutely NOT. With all due respect, you are making assumptions about me as a person without even bothering to understand why I wrote what I did.

Anyway, again, no - certainly not! I will not stand by and let them die.

Yes, I'm a liberal - I'd rather be that than a war mongering right wing nutter.

No, I do NOT believe in killing others without a reason - but don't equate that to me not believing in self defense either.

Quite frankly sir, YOUR signature makes me sick too, so it's even stevens on that one.

And with all due respect, this is absolute rubbish. I dont think even proUSA and the rest would say that!

You did say that you dont believe in killing FOR ANY REASON, did you not?
I'm a liberal too - just in the more classic sense.
Same here - and i consider punishment for a crime to be a reason.
Nah not really. I dont advocate using the government to force my views upon others. That is the biggest area in which we differ.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.