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Old 12-27-2006
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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

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It sure is good to know we live in a country where saying "something is up with the guy" is is not enough to confiscate all of his money. Oh wait...
You find nothing at all odd about this ?
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Old 12-27-2006
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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

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You find nothing at all odd about this ?
Odd is not the same as illegal. Odd is not grounds for an arrest. Odd is not grounds for a 6-figure fine. Odd...well you get the point.

Yeah, i think its odd to walk around with 120K in cash. So what? I also think its odd not to own a gun, but i would never tell someone they HAVE to.

I hate to say it, but i'm agreeing with Mare on this one.
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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

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You find nothing at all odd about this ?
I find it odd that you would fine someone because you think what they are doing is odd. Can we fine you, too?
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Old 12-27-2006
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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

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WOW, a non-english speaking man driving a car that wasn't in his name and carrying $124,000 in cash.......I don't care what anyone thinks, it was DRUG money.
It is qute obvious you don't care, and you may even be right that it was drug money, but that hasn't been proven----- now HAS it????

It is people like you who empower law enforcement to "BE" out of control.
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Old 12-27-2006
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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

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Good link, thanks........But I still say something is up with the guy and would not be surprised if drugs weren't involved.
Then conduct an investigation, use the little evidence to get a warrant. You can't confiscate the money outright without due process, and you cannot seize the money simply because at one point it was handled by a drug dealer. You could seize the money, and replace it with clean money, as that would be constitutional, but thats not what happened. They simply stole money based upon circumstantial evidence.

And if they get a warrant and find nothing, then they drop the case.

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Sure I do............Well somewhat, I’m no lawyer.
I should have used two sentences though for “By reasonable doubt” and “I believe there was doubt”.
Okay the fact that you have doubt does not mean that it is beyond a reasonable doubt. Beyond a reasonable doubt means that you have no reason to doubt that the money came into contact with drugs because he was involved with a drug deal. There are numerous reasons to doubt this, because the evidence is circumstantial.

It works like this

Beyond a Shadow of Doubt
Beyond a Reasonable Doubt <----- Conviction Level
Probable
Reasonable Suspicion <----- You
Suspicion <---- You
No Evidence of Anything


There may be something suspicious about it, but the money is for all debts public and private. Not all debts below a certain amount, if someone decides that they want to pay in cash that is their perogative. If they want to hide it in the freezer, also their perogative. Simply acting odd may get a warrant or cause to search someone, it doesn't create cause to steal money (And it is theft since it is without due process).

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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

So is this what government in the US does when it is short on funds?
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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

ok, I'm man enough to admit it when wrong...
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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

this guys rights were violated. someone should seriously call the ACLU. They will help this fella.
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Old 12-29-2006
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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

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Having read the brief (link: http://www.ca8.uscourts.gov/briefs/0...053295_1br.pdf )

It should be overturned. Circumstantial evidence is circumstantial evidence irregardless of the consideration to be given to that evidence. There is no preponderance of evidence, and the burden of proof certainly has not been met.

If a drug dealer goes to the corner store pays for a soda with a 5 dollar bill, then you come in and receive the very same 5 from the convenience store there is no legitimate legal basis for confiscating your money regardless of whether a drug dog becomes alerted to your wallet. You really need to prove something which conclusively ties the person to the crime, not simply the money, before you go into punishments.
A TD so here circumstantial evidence is insufficient and the burden of proof is all important.
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So is this what government in the US does when it is short on funds?
Sad but true.
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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

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IMO….bullshit.
While I'll agree that most money has some sort of drug residue on it, it must be a very small amount or else why do they use drug dogs.....If the dogs could detect the amount of drugs left these bills, they'd go nuts and wouldn't be worth a crap....
For the dog to locate the money in this case, I am guessing that it had a high enough content to be relatively fresh.
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are you under the delusion that drug runners routinely rub all their money on the drugs that they are trading for? What would be the point? Do you also believe that $124000 in cash is impossible to put together without drugs? What if he was driving the buyins to the WSOP to vegas for 12 of his buddys. Not speaking english is not a crime. While you may be pro USA you certainly don't stand up for any of the principles that this country was founded on like due process, innocent til proven guilty, 4th ammendment rights prohibiting unlawful search and seizure amoung many others. However i am finding more and more that the loudest voices for 'freedom and democracy' have the least real interest in promoting the very principles that foster freedom and democracy.
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Old 02-25-2007
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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

What about these guys?

Are they breakin the law? ANOTHER LAW FAVORS POLICE OFFICERS!! Its that Power of the Badge again! i can see why Nobody likes the police.
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