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Old 12-25-2006
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Driving with cash is a crime

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Federal Appeals Court: Driving With Money is a Crime
Eighth Circuit Appeals Court ruling says police may seize cash from motorists even in the absence of any evidence that a crime has been committed.

US Court of Appeals, Eighth CircuitA federal appeals court ruled yesterday that if a motorist is carrying large sums of money, it is automatically subject to confiscation. In the case entitled, "United States of America v. $124,700 in U.S. Currency," the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit took that amount of cash away from Emiliano Gomez Gonzolez, a man with a "lack of significant criminal history" neither accused nor convicted of any crime.
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A trained drug sniffing dog barked at the rental car and the cash. For the police, this was all the evidence needed to establish a drug crime that allows the force to keep the seized money.
Federal Appeals Court: Driving With Money is a Crime

Well, next time you consider driving somewhere to buy something with cash, think again. It's illegal, or at least subject to confiscation. If you're wondering about the canine barking:

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Claim: A large percentage of U.S. currency bears traces of cocaine.

Status: True.
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Business (Drug Money)
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Old 12-25-2006
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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

You missed the rules on the New Patriotism.

The New Patriotism states that anything the government comes up with is fine and dandy. Only people with something to hide would ever have to worry. What is good enough for Uncle Sam is good enough for me. Give me that old time Marxism.

In all seriousness, when it comes between holding to the original ideals of liberty put forth as a defining concept and giving up those liberties for certain people to protect their economic and social interests it is quite apparent that the latter rules. Until poorly written laws start effecting the middle and upper classes to the extent they have wrought havoc among minority and poorer communities we will never see any change.

This particular avenue of corruption will likely have no effect on the middle class because there is no longer the need to carry large amounts of cash. So when a story breaks where an individual is wrongly prosecuted under this law the middle class will shrug their shoulders and say, "Who cares. They must have been a criminal for acting like we do."

'Tis our new society. They murdered Donald Scott 15 years ago and walked away without facing any criminal charges. They broke an American tradition by utilizing military forces in a domestic law enforcement program resulting in the accidental death of Esequiel Hernandez and walked away from that despite breaking a federal law.

All because there are too many Americans too scared to be parents and gave their consciousness over to the government.

Okay, so I went a bit off topic. Rant over.
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Old 12-25-2006
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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

Excellent post, Gnomon.

A friend of ours went to Nepal with his girlfriend and another lady to adopt a young girl. At the airport in Albuquerque he was subjected to a strip search and interrogation after a drug/bomb sniffing dog started barking at his digital camera. Turns out the materials used to make the camera housing are very similar to the materials used in making high-density plastic explosives, which is what the dog was reacting to. And that was when he was leaving the United States!!! God knows what will happen when he has to go through the security checkpoints upon his return! Maybe they'll sieze his thousand dollar camera and sell it for a handsome profit at one of those government auctions, instead of returning it to him via the mail like the Red Chinese did when the communist authorites confiscated a Leatherman from a conservative Bush supporting member of another forum I'm on at the airport in Hong Kong.
Sad, isn't it, when the communists show more respect for a persons' personal property than our own government does! I think I'm beginning to understand why the States that voted for Bush are called "Red States"!
Krushchev was "right". We are being buried from within- by our own God fearing Christian Conservative Americans and the Politicians and Administrations they support!

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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

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You missed the rules on the New Patriotism.

The New Patriotism states that anything the government comes up with is fine and dandy. Only people with something to hide would ever have to worry. What is good enough for Uncle Sam is good enough for me. Give me that old time Marxism.

In all seriousness, when it comes between holding to the original ideals of liberty put forth as a defining concept and giving up those liberties for certain people to protect their economic and social interests it is quite apparent that the latter rules. Until poorly written laws start effecting the middle and upper classes to the extent they have wrought havoc among minority and poorer communities we will never see any change.

This particular avenue of corruption will likely have no effect on the middle class because there is no longer the need to carry large amounts of cash. So when a story breaks where an individual is wrongly prosecuted under this law the middle class will shrug their shoulders and say, "Who cares. They must have been a criminal for acting like we do."

'Tis our new society. They murdered Donald Scott 15 years ago and walked away without facing any criminal charges. They broke an American tradition by utilizing military forces in a domestic law enforcement program resulting in the accidental death of Esequiel Hernandez and walked away from that despite breaking a federal law.

All because there are too many Americans too scared to be parents and gave their consciousness over to the government.

Okay, so I went a bit off topic. Rant over.


Situations that both you and I just posted about are worthy of a serious rant- and a serious ass-kickin', Gnomon!

Tell us more and keep up the good work, Gnomon!

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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

Having read the brief (link: http://www.ca8.uscourts.gov/briefs/0...053295_1br.pdf )

It should be overturned. Circumstantial evidence is circumstantial evidence irregardless of the consideration to be given to that evidence. There is no preponderance of evidence, and the burden of proof certainly has not been met.

If a drug dealer goes to the corner store pays for a soda with a 5 dollar bill, then you come in and receive the very same 5 from the convenience store there is no legitimate legal basis for confiscating your money regardless of whether a drug dog becomes alerted to your wallet. You really need to prove something which conclusively ties the person to the crime, not simply the money, before you go into punishments.
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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

Maybe it's just the mood I'm in today, but if anyone tried to steal my hard-earned money that way I'd probably whip out my bitch and put a bullet right between their eyes!

I notice none of the Bush supportin' conservatives here seem to want to address Slon's topic here. I wonder why that is?

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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

They're too busy waiting for Sean Hannity to come back from vacation so he can formulate a response which they can then parrot for us here.
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They're too busy waiting for Sean Hannity to come back from vacation so he can formulate a response which they can then parrot for us here.
Parrots. They're great at mimicking and repeating what they hear. But they're still bird brains!

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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

Actually, the article doesn't appear to be very new.

"8/19/2006"
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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

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They're too busy waiting for Sean Hannity to come back from vacation so he can formulate a response which they can then parrot for us here.
With Tom Delay occupied with legal troubles, he's been slow to send the neocons the talking points they need.
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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

Since I already knew these things were happening, the only response I can make is Government bashing. because, strange as it seems, this is NOT BUSH'S fault. It has been getting worse for a long long time. Law enforcement is getting WAY out of hand
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Re: Driving with cash is a crime

WOW, a non-english speaking man driving a car that wasn't in his name and carrying $124,000 in cash.......I don't care what anyone thinks, it was DRUG money.
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WOW, a non-english speaking man driving a car that wasn't in his name and carrying $124,000 in cash.......I don't care what anyone thinks, it was DRUG money.
So, which of those statements proves beyond a reasonable doubt that it was drug money? The car not being in his name? Having the money on him? Or being non-English speaking?
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So, which of those statements proves beyond a reasonable doubt that it was drug money? The car not being in his name? Having the money on him? Or being non-English speaking?
All 3.....There were 3 reason to have doubt not to mention that a trained dog sniffed out the money........I wish they'd had run a lad test on the money to see if traces were available.

The law states; "beyond reasonable doubt".....To me, there was reason to doubt the man's claim.
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All 3.....There were 3 reason to have doubt not to mention that a trained dog sniffed out the money........I wish they'd had run a lad test on the money to see if traces were available.

The law states; "beyond reasonable doubt".....To me, there was reason to doubt the man's claim.
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