It's funny that most people accuse the left of being anti-American but in this case this sort of thing would not be legal in the states and is not the way our police do business yet many seem to think that the way another country handles things is better. Not very American of them.

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Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I see you and WOI are feeling very imaginative tonight.

Can you quote anywhere where I have supported what you saw on that tape?

Quote a single post?

Can ya?

If not, well, you can figure it out.....

Matt

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You've got to be kidding us. Do you think we are stupid? LOL!!!!

1. Your title asks if spike strips are too wussy, making the spanish pursuit more manly?

Should we assume you prefer wussy over manly Matt?

I've seen you do this before, say things that are obviously pro something and then deny you've infered it. Come on Matt, we aren't retards. Be honest.

2. You say if this happened here there would be cries of fascism from the left. Are you going to pretend that you aren't putting down the left for speaking out against police brutality?

Matt, I can't believe you are trying to pull this shit. Come clean, and stop this bullshit.

Do you seriously deny that this thread does not support what is seen on that video? All the other righties support it openly. Your support isn't as sneaky as you think, it's quite obvious.

I am not kidding, Sam. WOI made some very untruthful claims about my posts.

You are now parroting those claims.

Both of you are completely wrong.

This is your interpretation. I never made any claim of supporting this tactic, and in point of fact I believe it was an excessive use of force. The criminal was already away from his hostages, and the use of deadly force was not warranted.

Well, WOI plainly stated that America was fascist because of some guy allegedly shoved down over jaywalking.

I was just continuing that "logic" to it's conclusion.

Sadly, I can believe you are making shit up I never said, and representing it as my position.

It's not that uncommon for you.

Again, Sam, please quote a single post of mine that expresses support for what is shown there?

If not, please be honest and admit I never supported it. This "support" you speak of exists only in your head.

You constantly complain about people "shooting the messenger". Is inventing your own message any more honest or constructive?

Matt

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You don't consider robbing a bank and holding hostages with a hand grenade uncivilized ?

Uncivilized characters deserve to be treated uncivilized....

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

If the actions of others can be used as an excuse to behave in such a way then one should be able to go around looking for trouble since they can do what they wish as long as the other behaves that way first. Not a good idea I would think.

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"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Matt, you're not really going to pretend that before the last post where you said you don't support it and believe it is excessive force that we shouldn't think from your previous posts that you are in favor of what happened in that video. If you do believe that is the conclusion we should come to from your OP and your fellow right wingers lauding the video without argument from you, then you seriously need to sharpen your communication skills.

Maybe that's the problem that is causing our high crime rates and massive prisons......People can do as they will but still be treated in a civil manner....

Maybe if we treated criminals as they treated others, our problem would go away.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

If we compare our penalties and punishments with that of most of the west then we seem to be a little harder on crime actually.

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"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

So you are in favor of the police being judge jury and executioner too?

That seems to be the case. ProUSA doesn't seem to be what his name implies. At least not when it comes to our legal system.

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"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

That's why when he first came on this board and I noticed just that, I was calling him Anti-USA. But I was reprimanded and am not allowed to do so anymore.

partofme, did it seem to you also, that Matt felt the same way prousa feels about this video?

Sam, dear, try to resonate some understanding.

I am not trying to "pretend" a goddamn thing. I never made any statement supporting the actions shown on the tape.

You are making shit up and claiming I said it, Sam. It's dishonest and insulting.

I think my best move is not to sharpen my communication skills, but rather to stop trying to communicate with someone who prefers to deliberately misrepresent my posts rather than discuss what I actually said.

Matt

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Sorry to rain on your "victim" mentality about criminals, but if I am in pursuit of a bank robber that held hostages, both felonies, I am well and legally (in all states) justified in using any form of force, including deadly to stop a fleeing felon. This sort of thing needs to happen much more frequently. Then maybe the criminals will be a little less uncivilized. Perhaps if you're the hostage, I should ask if you wish me to treat him with kid gloves or just let him abscond with you in tow? If he's got anyone I know, there will be blood to clean up.

I've got a whole bunch of "little darlins'" that I would like very much for you to meet. A few minutes alone with them and you will undoubtedly change your mind. How civilized do you want to be to a serial killer that murdered 40 people in cold blood? Oh, and there's no question, as he confessed.

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Are you sure? I know you are not supposed to shoot somebody in the back if running away.

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"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"