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Old 01-09-2007
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Re: Spike Strips too wussy? Try the Spanish pursuit termination technique!

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Are jaywalking and bank robbery comparable?
No, that's why I never compared them.

Certain members decided I had, and made that erroneous claim.

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Re: Spike Strips too wussy? Try the Spanish pursuit termination technique!

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Says who? In some states, and under certain circumstances, a private citizen can feel free to stop a fleeing felon with a shot to the back.
Not exactly self defense.
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Re: Spike Strips too wussy? Try the Spanish pursuit termination technique!

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Just because I expect criminals to pay for what they've done doesn't make me anti nothing.
It seems that those who want criminals to get a free pass are the anti ones...
I never said they should get a free pass. I think people that rob banks and take hostages should be in jail for a very long time. I would even go so far as life in prison. To kill one when it is not out of self defense is a different story.
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Re: Spike Strips too wussy? Try the Spanish pursuit termination technique!

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Not exactly self defense.
It doesn't need to be done in self-defense. Deadly force is authorized to prevent the escape of a fleeing felon...
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Re: Spike Strips too wussy? Try the Spanish pursuit termination technique!

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No, that's why I never compared them.

Certain members decided I had, and made that erroneous claim.

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Seems to me an implied comparison in that you refer to claims of "fascism", which seems to refer to the thread about the jaywalking historian.
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Re: Spike Strips too wussy? Try the Spanish pursuit termination technique!

Then your impression was incorrect - I was not referencing that thread nor making any statement of support for the actions seen in the video.

Here's a helpful tip - if I were referencing the other thread, I would have put in a link or some other direct reference.

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Re: Spike Strips too wussy? Try the Spanish pursuit termination technique!

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Then your impression was incorrect - I was not referencing that thread nor making any statement of support for the actions seen in the video.

Here's a helpful tip - if I were referencing the other thread, I would have put in a link or some other direct reference.

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You sure it wasn't on your mind when you started this thread?

Would you be willing to submit to a polygraph exam?
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Re: Spike Strips too wussy? Try the Spanish pursuit termination technique!

I've been poly'ed before, and I am never doing that again.....

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Re: Spike Strips too wussy? Try the Spanish pursuit termination technique!

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But you might notice that I never declared an entire nation fascist because of either isolated event, something you did do.

(and since you denied it in that thread, here it is again, with your own emphasis left intact)

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Un-be-fuckin-lievable

The author of Millennium : A History of the Last Thousand Years arrested, thrown to the ground, handcuffed and whatnot for -I can hardly bring myself to write it- "jaywalking", a completely ridiculous notion in itself.

The full details which are on HNN, an entirely trustworthy and pure scholarly source, indicate that this is not an accident but a deliberate and planned attempt by the police to disrupt and intimidate the gathering of the members of the American Historians Association.

I retract my earlier statements about the present climate in the USA. This is -here it comes- fascism. Period.
I guess it is pretty easy to make your argument when you feel free to:

1. Invent statements the other person never made, and argue against them, and
2. Deny your own statements when they turn out to by hyperbole.

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Am I to teach you English grammar, Matt ?
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pron & det (pl. these) 1 used to identify a specific person or thing close at hand or being indicated or experienced => referring to the nearer of two things close to the speaker. 2 referring to a specific thing just mentioned. 3...
Now, which near thing could 'this' refer to ? It cannot be the 'USA' in the previous sentence since that was not used as a subject. At first sight it could refer to 'the present climate', yet that would be inconsistent with the earlier use of 'this'. As such, it is clear that the 'this' in the last sentence refers to the same subject as where it is used before, and that is the Atlanta police brutality. Ergo, hyperbole nor denial.
The perception of Anti-Americanism where there is none, is a handy debate tactic on this site, I admit, yet, utterly misapplied in my case.
Nevertless, I'll rephrase the issue:
The Atlanta police used methods, indistinguishable from fascist ones, to disrupt a gathering of scholars and to intimidate the partakers. It doesn't matter one bit to me whether it's Atlanta USA, Atlanta Chile, Atlanta Myanmar, or Atlanta Belgium.
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Re: Spike Strips too wussy? Try the Spanish pursuit termination technique!

I have finally viewed this video, and what the police did there is straight up (attempted?) murder.
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Re: Spike Strips too wussy? Try the Spanish pursuit termination technique!

If that bank robber/hostage taker didn't die immediately, then he should be tortured.
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I've been poly'ed before, and I am never doing that again.....

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Re: Spike Strips too wussy? Try the Spanish pursuit termination technique!

Ahh, well I guess you don't have due process in Spain. It's a good thing that we do here.
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Re: Spike Strips too wussy? Try the Spanish pursuit termination technique!

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I appreciate it - particularly in light of my clear statement that I don't support it.

Of course, Sam knows better what I am thinking that I do, so she feels free to tell me what I meant.

Matt
Maybe Sam is just confused at your spike strips = wussy and leftists claiming fascism if it happened here. Those are clues that you support the contents of the video. The only clues that you don't support it came much later in the thread when you contradicted your OP and said you are against police committing manslaughter by car.

In any case, there are plenty of your right wing compadres cheering on this brutality and I don't see you arguing with them.
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Re: Spike Strips too wussy? Try the Spanish pursuit termination technique!

I just saw this video, and am quite shocked. If the police themselves are descending to such brutality, I wonder how they are any better than the criminals?

Catch the guy, put him in jail, but this? This shows callous disregard for human life, and shows the cops to be no better than the criminal himself.

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