Yeah, although even if he had died I wouldn't necessarily consider it murder (although I admitt to not having all the facts of the situation).

Even American law allows for the use of deadly force against a fleeing felon, if certain criteria are met.

Knowledge that this is the person (since he was the guy driving the motorcycle the police just gave him that doesn't appear to be an issue).

The crime has to be a violent felony (robby a bank at gunpoint and holding hostages would fit this category).

And knowledge that failure to capture the fleeing criminal would put the community in danger since it is reasonable to believe that he will continue to committ violent felonies. (This last one is probably the most debatable one but I can see it going either way).

But again thats US law using criteria established by the US supreme court. Not Spanish law which may allow the police more latitude in the apprehension of their criminals.

I was just asking you a question. Please refrian from going into an emo frenzy!

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Oh fyi, if I wanted to insult you I definetly would Matt. Anyway, I see nothing wrong with what the police did in this case. I have seen videos on t.v. where the Mexican police killed a guy for being a jerk. It was on one of those Extreme T.V. shows on SPIKE.

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Right, I can appreciate your input on this and perhaps, I too, should reserve judgment until the facts are in. I have to admit, though, it doesn't look good from that video.

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I don't think the use of deadly force ever looks good on video.

So what?

Police are certainly expected to shoot in non-self-defense situations.

In many states, lethal force may be used in a non-self-defense situation to protect property.

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Looks pretty good to me...

kudos to the driver of the car - looks like he timed it perfectly and had the bad guy hit the wheel of the car and not the sheetmetal.

Too bad the robber lived...

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It just depends on the lighting...

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The driver deserves an award.

The robber claimed to have a hand grenade, the officer driving the car risked his life because the hand grenade could have went off.

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Especially on those public surveillance cameras - the resolution is far too low to get a good look at the bad guys face when he says "Oh Shit".

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Well, we don't know the story, but here is what we do know:

The man claimed to have a grenade after just robbing a bank. He took hostages.

He was in a densely populated area and it can be reasonably assumed that he posed a serious threat

The police seemed to do this at an intersection that was either empty or was cleared of all people.

In most of the United States this action would be perfectly acceptable. He was an armed fleeing felon ( a grenade is more dangerous than a gun in a densely populated area) and there is little more dangerous than this sort of situation. Spike strips would have disabled the bike, he would have still had the grenade doing nothing more than creating a similar standoff as the bank robbery in another location. Shooting at him is pointless and also dangerous to the general population. there is no way they could hit that target. In the U.S. a vehicle is considered deadly force on the use of force continuum, and this person posed a clear threat to himself, the police, and the community. Legally it would would have been justified here. By ramming him in a relatively open intersection they knocked him off the bike and if by some miracle he still held on to the grenade the police could still take him out.

What many people fail to understand is that there is nothing more dangerous for both the police and the community than a high speed pursuit in an urban area. The pursuits sensationalized on T.V. are not really reality and people often end up getting hurt in the course of them. In this scenario the police took the suspect out on their terms and posed no threat to other people.

It sure doesn't look pretty, but attempting to kill somebody usually never does.

The term fascist was thrown out by MattLarson in the OP when he said the left would cry fascism if that ever happened in the USA.

I'm still confused about how a statement like that means Matt, a right winger who puts down the left at every turn, does not support what goes on in that video where the police use a car as a lethal weapon to run down an alleged criminal on a motorcycle. But he insists, so be it.

Maybe Matt agrees with the left when they cry foul about fascist style goings on in the USA~! Stranger things have happened I suppose.

My main question is, why Matt, don't you argue with your right wing comrades who are excitedly posting about the use of brutality and violence in the video if you are genuine and not just pretending that you don't support the video?

I have serious doubts about what you are claiming.

Why don't you ever argue against the left-side?
Or do you really believe in everything they claim?

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For instance? Give me a topic and I will tell you how I feel. The point here is Matt claims he is against the police action in the video but never says a word to any of his rightie buds about their excitement and enthusiasm about the police action in the video. It's just highly suspect, his claims, IMHO.