Society pays less tax dollars to keep them in jail for life than to pay for all the mandatory appeals it takes to kill them. Society benefits by the state not being a murderer as well.
I disagree. Life is actually very simple. It is wrong to kill, no matter who does the killing, a murderer or the state. Killing is wrong.

Then society should correct that oversight and execute them sooner. After all, justice delayed is justice denied.
The death penalty is not murder.
That all sounds very nice and simplistic, but its just that - simplistic.

Not all killing is wrong. Is it wrong to kill in self defense? Is it wrong to kill in defense of an innocent?

Sorry Sam, but your view, while nice in theory, is foolish in practice. You're welcome to it of course, but then again, we all know your hypocracy as you've previously stated it is ok to kill in self defense. Come to think of it, i think you've even stated that its ok to use the death penalty as long as it is humane. Of course, it would be foolish of me to expect consistency from you.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

I was referring to the cases when inmates are let out early.

Quote that please? I don't believe that, and I didn't write it. You are mistaken.

If you didnt say it, you didnt say it. I wasnt 100% certain you did.

I am certain you've said its ok to kill in self defense though, and i note you didnt dispute that.

So if killing in self defense is ok, and killing in defense of an innocent is ok, how do you conclude that executing a criminal as penalty for his actions is equivalent to murder?

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This is getting curiouser and curiouser.

the news yesterday said that Third boy has come forth saying that he has been best friends with Sean Hornbeck for all of the four years that Sean has been missing, That they went places together, to Malls, and fast food, rode bikes together, and Sean seemed just like any other Kid. "His Kidnapper must have been a horrible man." The boy seems to have been on "open Range" with no fences or tethers. (So he just HAD to be VERY afraid.RIGHT???)

Now this morning, another report--- That someone had been posting on a Yahoo site, (in Decenber ---05 or 06??)Under the name of "Sean Devlin" With a Kriptic message like, How long are you going to look for your son?, etc. The reporter of course doesn't know if it was Sean, or the "Kidnapper", or someone else posting it But it is quite a coincidence. Could be either Sean playing games, or the Kidnapper. In any event the first part gives me more reason to beleive that Sean MIGHT have left home voluntarily and found shelter with Devlin. On two separate occasions, kids have asked to stay with me. in each case I returned them home after talking to them. OK, sgain, I am NOT discounting the fct that Devlin is a Registered Sex offender. More on that later today./

Self defense - protecting oneself from imminent harm. I believe as individuals and as a country, this is the only time to use violence against another.

Executing a criminal is not at all the same as killing in self defense. There is nothing in common with the two acts except that someone dies.

I suppose it might be all A-OK if the man had permission from the parents of the child who is living with him. But since he didn't and since the police were looking for the boy that was there for 4 years, this makes the man a kidnapper. You can't keep a child in your home when the parents of that child don't know where he is and are frantically looking for him. That's illegal.

My point was, you made the statement that all killing is wrong, yet you've just admitted there are circumstances in which it is right.

If it is ok to kill in self defense, why is it not ok to execute a criminal as part of a sentance for his crime? Not like the criminal didnt know the potential outcome when he decided to commit the crime...

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Seen some more on this too, it doesn't make much sense does it.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

Because that's not self defense.

It's the same as Elizabeth Smart, who didn't try to escape. Do you realize bad guys like this tell the kids, if you escape or tell anyone I will kill your whole family? So the kids protect their family by doing what he says.

I'm not arguing with you on that, I agree. (with the possible exception of calling him a Kidnapper If (repeat) "IF" the boy had asked to stay with him) ( "course we don't know that is true, do we???)

Someone is now suggesting he is suffering Stockholm Syndrome) It doesn't seem to fit.

Ah, so then only a killing in the heat of passion is acceptable to you.

So then, why would you have a problem with murder under those circumstances?

The thing is though sam, execution is not murder. Never has been, never will.

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