I like the idea of a wall.

I like the idea of punishing those who hire illegal aliens.

I like the idea of armed troops at the border.

I like the idea of burying broken glass to a depth of ten feet under the wall, so those who attempt to dig under hit get sliced to ribbons.

I like the idea of electrified constantine wire...

I like the idea of burying electrified constantine wire to a depth of ten feet under the wall, so those who attempt to dig under hit get sliced to ribbons and electrocuted.

But those are just off the top of my head...

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Don't forget Chassisman.............

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Sounds pricy!

I would personally prefer to see other techniques employed in checking illegal immigration; the mentality behind a wall just rubs me the wrong way.
By "other techniques" I mean enforcement of rules against hiring illegals and a willingness (and ability) to deport new illegals that come across. Combine that with some sort of program to deal with the labor demand (personally I thought the temporary worker's permit was brilliant) and a greater effort to naturalize those who do immigrate legally.

I'm with you on everything but the work permit. There was a major flaw in Bush's plan - nobody had to go back home first before applying.
If the permit plan would have worked so effeciently, why couldn't they all go back first?

You overlook the fact that often illegals trick employers by providing fake documents and stuff.

Why do illegals come here? Because they want a better life and their government is screwing them over. They believe the US is that life and they will keep on believing that even if we severly punish the companies that do knowingly hire them. Punishing those companies won't stop illegals from coming as long as the mindset of the US being the promised land exists in their heads. No one need think me anti immigration by saying that, I am only anti illegal immigration and if they come in correctly I welcome them with open arms. My point is that a wall will most likely be needed with or without punishing the employers. With that said I do want to make it clear that I agree that illegals should not have access to welfare and that we should punish employers I just think that we also need the wall.

Lastly, the Mexican government is corrupt and refuses to do their duty to their own people thus they want to pawn off that responsibility on us. Maybe if the mexican government actually had to take responsibility for itself then their country wouldn't have such a low standard of living.

My proposals are as follows:
1. We build the wall.
2. We change current immigrations laws to include a guest worker program and to change any other parts as needed.
a. At the very least the following parts of the screening for immigrating or for being a guest worker must include: a background check, a check for any dangerous diseases (Tuberculosis, etc.), and a basic knowledge of the English language (the ability to get by in an English speaking country).
3. All employers who hire guest workers will be responsible to pay at least minimum wage and reasonable working conditions to their employees, and to provide for their insurance (medical, dental, etc basically whatever is needed) and education costs so the public isn't paying for these things.
4. Concerning those who are already here illegally, if they were the ones who came in illegally then we send them back and tell them to enter the above way. If they were brought in as children of those who entered illegally and are now of age then we show a bit more lieniency. This category is probably small because anyone who was born here is already a born citizen and doesn't fall under the category of entering illegally.

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Those who argue for complete secularism are funny. They see what government does and then argue that we don't need it to start with prayer.

I see nothing wrong with immingints who wanna become americans and live here.But do it right. Instead just sneaking across the border and look for a free ride.

It wouldn't solve it but it would make a considerable dent in the flow of illegals. Another thing it would do is make it harder to import illegal drugs into America. I sometimes wonder if one of the reasons the border is open is to keep the drugs flowing. There is an awful lot of money heading into Mexico for the drugs and it seems to me that some people higher up could have been bought off.

Kramer

I think you'll find that most Americans feel this way.....We don't have problems if the immigrants do it the legal way, I know I don’t.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

who would pick the fruits, man the gas stations and clean the houses? americans? lololol. good one.
seriously, though, illegals do more good than harm.

So what?

They'll take those same jobs if they have to go through the proper channels to gain entry into this country legally.

There's not a single argument that can be made to show how illegal immigration is a good thing...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

Steveox & Beer,

Steveox seems to believe that Mexican's want to become American and that immigrating to the United States requires that you become a citizen. The first is not necessarily true. The second is absolutely NOT true.

Then Beer comes along and says "who would pick the fruits, man the gas stations and clean the houses? americans? lololol. good one.
seriously, though, illegals do more good than harm."

Think about that for a second...

If Mexicans become Americans are they still going to pick fruit and clean toilets? Won't we need more Mexicans then? So illegal immigration would be a good thing because presumably, the second you become an American citizen it is beneath you to pick fruit...

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

Several solutions available but my favorite is offering Mexico a management/consulting deal for a small fee.

But seriously, I see two major problems:

1. Border security - period. Nothing to do with Mexican illegal labor but what else may come across the border.

2. I don't think Mexican's DO generally want to be American. I think they're generally proud of their heritage/culture and aren't really into assimilating. This isn't fair to American's. We're a "melting pot" not one of those compartmentalized plates you buy so your food doesn't run together.

The only reason I didn't claim the economic impact is because people insist on arguing that there is a benefit equal to the burden. I don't agree but it doesn't even need to be part of the equation.

So maybe not a fence but something really ought to be done about border security in general.

And then if Mexican's want to come just to earn a buck then some kind of guest worker program ought to be hammered out.

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

This seemed the appropriate cartoon for this forum. Something to consider:

http://www.mattbors.com/strips/177.gif

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"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither breaks my leg, nor picks my pocket."

Thomas Jefferson

Ding ding ding.

Nobody ever brings up this point. Where is the Mexican government? Perhaps sitting in Mexico City enjoying the 16 billion dollars that comes into the country each year from illegal Mexican immigrants in the U.S.? Who is criticizing our stance on immigration? That same Mexican government who at the same time loses some of its problems--and benefits its economy. They dont do anything to help its poor in the North.

Mexico treats its immigrants like trash. They have limited rights and can be thrown out of the country for no reason. Blame Mexico for illegal immigration. Blame China for illegal immigration....dont blame the U.S. for building a wall people. We have every right to do so...to protect an unprotected border being crossed illegally a million times a year.