Originally Posted by Eagle88

You overlook the fact that often illegals trick employers by providing fake documents and stuff.

Why do illegals come here? Because they want a better life and their government is screwing them over. They believe the US is that life and they will keep on believing that even if we severly punish the companies that do knowingly hire them. Punishing those companies won't stop illegals from coming as long as the mindset of the US being the promised land exists in their heads. No one need think me anti immigration by saying that, I am only anti illegal immigration and if they come in correctly I welcome them with open arms. My point is that a wall will most likely be needed with or without punishing the employers. With that said I do want to make it clear that I agree that illegals should not have access to welfare and that we should punish employers I just think that we also need the wall.

Lastly, the Mexican government is corrupt and refuses to do their duty to their own people thus they want to pawn off that responsibility on us. Maybe if the mexican government actually had to take responsibility for itself then their country wouldn't have such a low standard of living.

My proposals are as follows:
1. We build the wall.
2. We change current immigrations laws to include a guest worker program and to change any other parts as needed.
a. At the very least the following parts of the screening for immigrating or for being a guest worker must include: a background check, a check for any dangerous diseases (Tuberculosis, etc.), and a basic knowledge of the English language (the ability to get by in an English speaking country).
3. All employers who hire guest workers will be responsible to pay at least minimum wage and reasonable working conditions to their employees, and to provide for their insurance (medical, dental, etc basically whatever is needed) and education costs so the public isn't paying for these things.
4. Concerning those who are already here illegally, if they were the ones who came in illegally then we send them back and tell them to enter the above way. If they were brought in as children of those who entered illegally and are now of age then we show a bit more lieniency. This category is probably small because anyone who was born here is already a born citizen and doesn't fall under the category of entering illegally.

Originally Posted by emptypepsi

To me the wall has always been Washington's way of paying lip service to voters who 'want something done now' and don't understand that this problem took years to create and will take some time to fix. Of course they would do the wall first -- it does nothing about the illegals who are already here and the employers who are hiring them. Building a wall is obviously the easiest route to follow and the best way to appease the general public.

Building a wall without law enforcement on employers as our #1 priority is just an obstacle course to give the illegals exercise. If they know they'll get it here - they'll find a way.

Originally Posted by goober

So if we build this wall, then illegal Mexicans will have to come here the way illegal Africans, Europeans and Asians do, with tourist visas. Instead of paying a mule, they pony up for a round trip ticket and hotel accomodations at DisneyWorld.

Originally Posted by EricOKC

My solution?

Technology.

No need for a wall - simply do the following:

Forbid any and all social services to illegal aliens. Require proof of citizenship. No citizenship granted to children just because mom made it across the border before having a child. Dont have it? They are assumed illegal. From here proceed to section below

The first time an illegal is found in the US:

1) implant them with an RFID chip.
2) Inform them - verbally and in writing in both their native language and Englis - that they are being deported and are not to return to the United States again.
3) Inform them further that the RFID chip WILL let people know that they have returned.
4) Inform them even further that the presence of an RFID chip will be taken as evidence that they have been previously deported and told never to return.
5) Deport them. Just take em to the border and drop em off.

The SECOND time they are found in the US (remember, they have a chip in them now)
1) Execute them on sight. Said execution legally allowed to be carried out by ANY American citizen, anytime, anywhere. The presence of the RFID chip is proof of their guilt beyond reasonable doubt. To further limit chances of false ID, make inexpensive scanners avaialable to anyone who wants one.

The third time they are found in the US, allow them to stay, since they are obviously risen from the dead and therefore must be God.

Is it harsh? Yes. Do i care? No. Will it stop illegal immigration? I'd sure hope so - i mean, i cannot imagine ANYONE being so stupid as to keep trying after having it made crystal clear that you will be executed if found.

Originally Posted by EricOKC

The SECOND time they are found in the US (remember, they have a chip in them now)

1) Execute them on sight. Said execution legally allowed to be carried out by ANY American citizen, anytime, anywhere. The presence of the RFID chip is proof of their guilt beyond reasonable doubt. To further limit chances of false ID, make inexpensive scanners avaialable to anyone who wants one.

Originally Posted by Rahul

One thing you forgot to ask.

Is this policy stupid? Spelled S-T-U-P-I-D?

Yes. Further, is it ludicrous thinking on your part?

Again, the answer would be a resounding YES.

I'm sorry, but this is by far the most idiotic thing I've read on USPOL so far.

Originally Posted by Steve

If someone doesn't buy the RFID scanner, can they still execute them?

I have no real problem with the theory of your proposal, just wondering how it would be that any American citizen could execute them without requiring all American citizens to buy the scanner...

Originally Posted by EricOKC

Ok - what is so stupid about it

You may personally feel that it is, but why?

What i find stupid is the belief that we somehow must tolerate illegal immigration.

There is nothing morally, ethically, or legally wrong with using deadly force to secure our borders.

btw - that cant possibly be the most idiotic thing you've read on USPOL. If it is, may i suggest you do a little more looking?

Originally Posted by Rahul

Actually, the whole concept of ANY American citizen being allowed to execute another person smacks of stupidity and is indicative of anarchical thinking on the poster's part.

Originally Posted by Steve

If someone doesn't buy the RFID scanner, can they still execute them?

I have no real problem with the theory of your proposal, just wondering how it would be that any American citizen could execute them without requiring all American citizens to buy the scanner...

Originally Posted by EricOKC

How do you figure? Last i checked, defending our borders is a duty of all citizens.

Originally Posted by EricOKC

Perhaps then require someone to obtain the scanner if he wishes to go hunting illegals.