Yes. Not my problem or fault that he is here illegally. Fact is, in his own country he may well die if he cannot afford medical care, so why should i pay for him?
You have a problem with that? Its how it works in most nations. Just because some illegal's parent made it here 10 minutes before the kid was born doesnt automatically make the kid an American anymore than my being born in Germany made me German.
As far as I'm concerned, illegals are not deserving of the same respect given citizens. I could care less about their feelings on the matter.
Yes. You havent presented anything which is stupid about that. We are morally, legally and ethically able to use deadly force to secure our borders.
If the person has the chip in them, that is evidence of their illegal status. Why waste the money and time on re-deporting them? They were warned. Fuck em.
You havent presented a single reason why it is stupid, you've simply stated that it is, or worse, asked questions while givng no answers.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Thats hardly what i said, but whether you realize it or not, all Americans have the authority to stop a felon in commission of a crime, using deadly force if necessary.

Regardless, non-citizens are not granted the same protections. The illegal, having been chipped, would have incontrovertible evidence of his illegal status. A judge or jury would be irrelevant, and there really is no need to tie up the police with dealing with an illegal. Frankly thats not their job. It is the federal governments job to secure the borders.

Police are nothing special my friend. They are merely regular people empowered to make arrests for misdemeanors, and tasked with doing the investigations after a crime has been committed. Thats it.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Fact is, you don't know if he'll die or not in his own country. Fact is, you've got everything all ass backwards, and upside down.

This is how its been done in the US and quite a few other developed nations uptil now. It's only that wants to change the way things are done. Interestingly, you are in favor of a status quo when it suits you (child spanking) but against it when it doesnt.

As far as I'm concerned, they are.

What you care about is immaterial.


Not everyone is empowered to be judge, jury and executioner.

Name one country in the world that does this.

I've asked no question. I've presented all reasons. Further, your arguments make no sense, and are impractical, illogical, and ludicrious.

Not to mention the fact that you've picked up some debating techniques from a certain poster we all know on USPOL ...

If my suggestion were implemented, then hunting illegals would become legal.

As i dont see theives as human, i wouldnt see it as hunting humans, merely ridding the nation of two-legged vermin.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Care to back this up with some evidence?

So now, non -citizen = illegal? What about permanent residents? H1B's? Tourists? Students?

Further, federal government doesnt equate to public.

Which is all well and good, and also beside the point.

Whether you regard humans as vermin or not is moot. The fact is, they are humans.

What about American theives - are they vermin, or should we treat them with due respect, perhaps buy 'em beer every once in a while while they're in jail? Perhaps spring for Sunday night pizza for them? You know, they're citizens after all, not illegals ...

Again, i dont care. If he's here illegally, he should in no way benefit.
No, it isnt how its been done in the US or other nations up till now. Someone born to a diplomat does not automatically become afforded US citizenship status, for example.

Im in favor of the status quo when there is nothing wrong with it. Change simply for the sake of change is not good.
This is where we differ. To me they are criminals at best, arguably foreign invaders.
Quite the contrary. As I AM an American citizen, what i care about on this issue is quite material.

What a foreign national may think most certainly IS immaterial.
Not true. Sorry but when it comes to securing the nations borders, we most certainly are. This is my country my friend, not yours.
Where do you want me to start? Do you have any idea what happens to illegal immigrants in most of the world? Do you foolishly think that most nations do NOT use deadly force to secure their borders?

This isnt merely a couple people a week coming over to escape an opressive regeime. We are talking about literally millions of people, in some cases with the assistance and encouragement of their government, illegally crossing the borders of the United States.
You have asked questions and you have not presented reasons -at least not in the post to which i was responding.

My arguments make quite a bit of sense. Are they a bit barbaric? Certainly - i dont deny that.

Are they impractical? Yes and no. Were it to continue for a long period of time, yes. In real life, a couple of months and a few hundred dead illegals later, and the word would get out.

Illogical? Hardly. The logic is simply cold and impersonal and doesnt take anyone's feelings into account.

Ludicrous? Only in your opinion. Frankly a lot of Americans would simply like to see the border become a free fire zone. We're really quite sick of it.
And who might that be?

This is an issue i have a hard time debating impersonally as it does affect me directly every single day. I have no problem admitting that.

Now, if you REALLY want to see someone get up in arms about it, ask a LEGAL immigrant how they feel. Those people scare me...

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Sure, what do you want?
No, thats not what i said. I said specifically that non-citizens are not entitled to the same protection as citizens. This is quite true with permanent residents, H1B's, tourists and students. Thats a fact son.
That is where you're wrong. The federal government is granted the authority to defend our borders, that does not mean they have SOLE authority. Do you understand the distinction?
Not really - you did imply that this was the job of the police. I was pointing out to you they are no different than the rest of us.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

They may be, but they are not worthy of my respect.
I thought i made it clear. I dont view theives as human. Their citizenship status is irrelevant.

It is perfectly legal, in my state anyway, to use deadly force upon a theif in the commission of a crime if such force is necessary to recover the property. I think most border states are like that, but i am not certain, so dont quote me on it.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Then why did you bring up the "fact is" statements?

Uptil now, anyone born on US soil is a US citizen. That's a fact, whether you admit it or not.

The problem is, you and you alone don't get to decide when it's good and when it's not.

Criminals in a sense yes, but they hardly deserve to be executed for it, neither are they animals.

My point is something isn't going to work or be implemented just because you say it will.

So don't debate it on this forum them if you don't care to hear other's opinions.

Again, whats your country and whats my country is immaterial as you are debating on an open forum. Further, I've yet to see any proof of what you claim, so I can only conclude that it, like most your arguments is totally baseless.

You start where you like. Actually, I think I have a much better idea of the rest of the world than you. How many countries have you even been to? In fact, have you ever been outside the Southern US itself?

Now, please prove what you are saying or admit it's a bunch of unproven nonsense.

And did I deny that?

State one question I asked, and state one reason I didnt present.

I, on the other hand, can present many instances where you provide no proof of what your saying despite being asked numerous times. Of course, it's hard to find proof for such nonsense.

I disagree - they make no sense. Barbaric, yes - but this is just too hilarious for me to even say it's barbaric ...

I disagree. If this happened for a few months, the US would be widely bashed even more so than it is now, and most people in the US wouldn't stand for it. In fact, I highly doubt it'll ever happen in the first place. So yes, very impractical.

There isn't any logic involved in treating people as robots/grocery items, for one.

Nope. Ludicrious I suspect in many people's opinion, and obviously ludicrious b/c no-one does the sort of thing you advocate.

Father Dodge. You've also picked up the knack of dodging everything thats asked of you, and provide virtually no proof for anything.

Why? You think all legal immigrants would want to folllow the path you advocate? I highly doubt it.

You said every US citizen is empowered to use deadly force to kill criminals (or whoever they think are criminals) ... So, prove it.

I'm afraid you dont know the difference between "legal" and "illegal" - tourists, H1B's and students are all legal. Permanent residents are very much legal, and enjoy the same rights as US citizens except the right to vote. That's a fact. Once you back up the statements you made, I'll glady back up this one.

So back it up.

It IS the job of the police. Not yours.