Well, thats not what Eric said. His position seems to be that every US citizen should have the right to shoot illegal aliens.

So do you think this measure will be implemented in other countries?? If so, why, and can you give an example?

I'm not referring to North Korea - I'm referring to other third world countries. Most aren't as extreme as that.

I agree that some strict measures are needed, but not shooting illegals simply for being illegal - that is just too extreme. Send 'em back, put 'em in jail, crack down on illegal employment ...whatever, but not this!

How is shooting a person for being illegal right, Steve? I mean, the US is NOT North Korea ...

Yes, well, I can only say I doubt it'll ever be done. I also doubt either one of us can say for SURE that it will or won't be done at this point.

Are you saying we should aspire to emulate North Korea?

Well, that's certainly interesting.

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Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

Figure of speech?
Nope - not true. Sorry. Thats also a fact.
Never said i did. In this particular instance, you'll find that many people in the US agree with me.
As far as I'm concerned, they do. If they came here once, got sent home and told not to come back, and still did, then fuck em.
No kidding.
About a dozen.
Yes. In fact, i've at least been to (i.e. more than just passing through) most of the lower 48 (havent been to either of the Dakota's yet), and my comment about being born in Germany was not merely rhetorical.
You say that as if i care about the perception of the US by the uninformed in 3rd world backwaters...
Sure there is.
Virtually every legal immigrant with whom i've spoken would dispense with inserting the chip and merely kill them when first discovered.

LEGAL immigrants (not 2nd and 3rd generation, but those who actually made the effort to come here in their own lifetimes) have ZERO tolerance for illegals.

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For the record, I believe that the borders of the United States should be guarded by armed military troops. This is one issue on which I'm absolutely resolute.

As for shooting them for being illegal, there's a very simple solution, and it's all in their hands: Don't cross the border illegally, don't get shot at.

Pretty simple math, if you ask me...

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It was actually something which had no relevance to the discussion at hand.

I'm sorry, but it is a fact whether you admit it or not. If you don't think it is, provide me with some proof. Of course, you won't ... you've failed to back up ANY of the facts you've stated.

Well, I haven't seen that many that do, and quite frankly, I highly doubt most here on USPOL would agree with your extremist ideas either.

Well, all I can say is I'm glad most people dont think like you.

Really? I said countries, not counties ...

Who cares if you care? I merely stated a fact.

Nonsense. Unless your referring to "Demolition Man".

I disagree. I know many people who immigrated to the US in their lifetimes, and they don't even agree with the death penalty - let alone this nonsense.

See above.

I agree, and this goes for every nation, however, this isn't what Eric is proposing and what I am arguing against.

Yes, but that isn't the point ... I'm not saying it's better NOT to do something illegal rather than face the consequences. I'm trying to say that simply crossing a border doesn't mean they should be shot. Certainly not by everyone at random, and I most certainly disagree with scanning people and implanting chips in them ...

Rahul,
Curiosity question: Why do you disagree with implantation of chips for monitoring movement or illegal immigrantsin the United States? (Has to do with a conversation you and I participated in, in which we discussed freedom).

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

Because it's the first step towards a society such as in "Demolition Man" (an artificial society). Second, I just can't get used to the idea of Big Brother monitoring people by the means of chips - if they do this to some people now, I'm sure it'll eventually be done to others ...

That conversation you were referring to - that was to do with the voter ID, was it not? I support that - since thats something most Americans already have (driver's license/state ID). Further, if they could control illegal immigration without implanting something in people or shooting on sight, I wouldn't mind.

Thats my take on it.

Both of my Grandparents were from Spain, and my Grandfather on my Dad's side from Scotland. All legal immigrants -- all had a disdain for people who come here and slap their efforts in the face by dismissing the law. They have an even bigger disdain for the people who granted amnesty to those. That would hold true for the 4 families of friends that came here with them as well. I've met numerous legal immigrants, many of whom are friends of mine and many of whom are now citizens. After many discussions with them I can pretty confidently say that they have no soft spot for law breaking illegal aliens. In fact, they are usually the ones who speak out first in conversations about them.

It cannot be dug under if it sticks 10 feet into the ground, and it would solve the illegal immigration problem to some extend. The Mexicans would have to be more creative with false passports and boats etc.

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Wow, that's so inhumane. Especially when you consider that all Americans are immigrants or descendants of immigrants except the aboriginal people. Unbelievable really.

Tell you what, you worry about Canada, OK?

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Maybe we should just give them back Tejas, and then put up a wall.

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"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

There's nothing wrong with a country defending its borders against illegal immigrants the hard way, which is the only way.

The legal immigrants would still have nothing to worry about.

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Ahh...then I suppose we give back California and Arizona as well? I guess then we all hop on ships and get off the continent and leave it for the percentages that can directly trace their ancestry to Native Americans, no?