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Swoop187 · #31 (**permalink**) 01-27-2007

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Originally Posted by doniston

The problem is that a lot of the people picked up in these raids, and NOT illegals.

and they are promptly turned loose when their identities are known.

Swoop187 · #32 (**permalink**) 01-27-2007

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Originally Posted by Blaupunkt69

why worry? one reason could be the fear of human error or false intent. legal citizens could be mixed in with the illegals and deported while their family has no idea. i don't trust any agency or stranger to do the right thing everytime or 100% correct. plus if they're nabbing people infront of fast food restaurants, i would assume it was on appearance alone. i know if they were targeting white people i would, as a legal citizen, fear being mistaken for an illegal and arrested. my family would be worried about me, i could be missing a shift at work, or an acitivity with friends, etc while detained. the inconvenience and embarrassment of being arrested and detained over a case of mistaken identity would have me living in fear even though i had done nothing wrong. its not always easy to convince someone else of the truth.

for example: Maher Arar, a citizen of canada returning from a vacation with a stop over in new york, was detained by US authorities, arrested, and deported to Syria under extraordinary rendition so he could be tortured. his wife and family had no idea where he went. US authorities were acting on false information provided by the RCMP that he was trained by al-qaida. he was finally released a year later and recently exonerated by the canadian government after a public inqury. i wonder how long Arar was saying to himself: "i've got nothing to worry about, i've done nothing wrong..." (probably not long given he was a muslim flying post-9/11) and im sure as a legal citizen of canada the last thing on his mind was the thought of being deported to another country, let alone syria, let alone being tortured.

Yea and guess what??? An American can be locked up for not having there drivers license on them or auto insurance card on them too....same situation.

How about just tell the INS your visa/documentation number and you will be freed

???

oh yea being detained for 6-12 hours is such a fucking drag right?

oh i get it to the leftists is racism right?

Here is a good word for the so called "Americans" (if there is any truth to this story of folks on visas being deported).....Learn fucking english and you might come off as more of an american.

Imperator · #33 (**permalink**) 01-27-2007

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Originally Posted by BleedingHeadKen

Why not equate them with murderers as well! After all, they come here, crossing the border whilst avoiding detection in an attempt to find work, which is almost the same thing as pointing a gun at someone and demanding their money and then shooting them. Such evildoers and villains these illegal aliens are.
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well said; whole I really don't like equating an entire race with a few bad apples...85% of LA county murder suspects are hispanic...both illegal and first generation...

LA County Murders

doniston · #34 (**permalink**) 01-27-2007

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Originally Posted by Swoop187

and they are promptly turned loose when their identities are known.

That changes the way and the other results because of the false arrest???

Truthbetold · #35 (**permalink**) 02-01-2007

Funny that an undocumented worker would be worried that our law enforcement officials are conducting raids. Think about it man....you are not supposed to be here. And although I can fully understand why you came here you should have done it in the right way.

Stop giving them a reason to come and they won't come.

doniston · #36 (**permalink**) 02-02-2007

[quote=Truthbetold;908203]Funny that an undocumented worker would be worried that our law enforcement officials are conducting raids. Think about it man....you are not supposed to be here. And although I can fully understand why you came here you should have done it in the right way.

QUOTE] This is only true if they are illegals. that is not always the case.

3.14 · #37 (**permalink**) 02-02-2007

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Originally Posted by doniston

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Originally Posted by Truthbetold

Funny that an undocumented worker would be worried that our law enforcement officials are conducting raids. Think about it man....you are not supposed to be here. And although I can fully understand why you came here you should have done it in the right way.

This is only true if they are illegals. that is not always the case.

Agree .. sometimes perfectly legal folks get picked on. Yes, they get released, but they shouldn't be getting picked upon in the first place.

Truthbetold · #38 (**permalink**) 02-02-2007

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Originally Posted by doniston

The fact "IS" that it happens to be unconstitutional. (You know, Unreasonable search and ceasure/ Innocent until proven Guilty/etc.

And much of the reason I am a Cop-hater.

I always thought the constitution applied to our citizens? I'll admit that maybe these raids should be fine tuned so that they get the illegals and only the illegals. I would be pissed if I was picked up but after thinking about what is being accomplished I would probably end up forgetting about it.

Ever been to Santa Ana? 90% hispanic. Housing values plummeting. Trash everywhere. Stinks like week long unshowered arse. Aside Taco Bell, BK, Carls, etc you can't read a stores sign because its not in your language.

A ton of people are here illegally. They are using fake social security cards, working under the table, work 2-3 jobs taking away from HS and college students, then sending a portion of their earnings home to dodge taxes a second time.

Something has to be done and if this is the most effective way then so be it.

Alex · #39 (**permalink**) 02-03-2007

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Originally Posted by Rahul

Agree .. sometimes perfectly legal folks get picked on. Yes, they get released, but they shouldn't be getting picked upon in the first place.

They are not being picked on. They simply fit the profile. If we have an illegal immigration problem with Hispanics, it makes sense to target Hispanics in these raids, doesn't it? It's very simple and there is no discrimination, just the application of intelligence and effective use of resources.

Truthbetold · #40 (**permalink**) 02-03-2007

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Originally Posted by Alex

They are not being picked on. They simply fit the profile. If we have an illegal immigration problem with Hispanics, it makes sense to target Hispanics in these raids, doesn't it? It's very simple and there is no discrimination, just the application of intelligence and effective use of resources.

Exactly. Its not like the cops are just grabbing anyone. The problem is illegals look just like those who just recieved amnesty. And their first language is the same.

3.14 · #41 (**permalink**) 02-03-2007

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Originally Posted by Alex

They are not being picked on. They simply fit the profile. If we have an illegal immigration problem with Hispanics, it makes sense to target Hispanics in these raids, doesn't it? It's very simple and there is no discrimination, just the application of intelligence and effective use of resources.

So your saying it's OK to target an entire race due to a few clowns or what?? I'm sorry, but just because some Hispanics are illegal doesnt mean all Hispanics should bear the brunt. I'm opposed to that just as I'm opposed to racial profiling of Muslims in airports.

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Originally Posted by Truthbetold

Exactly. Its not like the cops are just grabbing anyone. The problem is illegals look just like those who just recieved amnesty. And their first language is the same.

Really? Care to back that up with some solid facts??

Alex · #42 (**permalink**) 02-03-2007

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Originally Posted by Rahul

So your saying it's OK to target an entire race due to a few clowns or what?? I'm sorry, but just because some Hispanics are illegal doesnt mean all Hispanics should bear the brunt. I'm opposed to that just as I'm opposed to racial profiling of Muslims in airports.

Then, I think you are very very naive.

Truthbetold · #43 (**permalink**) 02-03-2007

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Originally Posted by Rahul

So your saying it's OK to target an entire race due to a few clowns or what?? I'm sorry, but just because some Hispanics are illegal doesnt mean all Hispanics should bear the brunt. I'm opposed to that just as I'm opposed to racial profiling of Muslims in airports.

Really? Care to back that up with some solid facts??

Few clowns???? There are millions of illegals in California alone my friend. There was a few in the 70's.

WorldNetDaily: Cost of illegals to California $10.5 billion
I don't want to pay for them. Would you?

WorldNetDaily: Illegals estimated to number 18-20 million
Not a few. Millions costing us 100's of billions.

Here is a fact for you. If a hispanic man is illegally living in the US there is nothing about his appearance that makes him look any different than another man of the same nationality. You can't just look at someone and say "he is an illegal." Unless you go to Santa Ana California where you chances are very high.

Gort · #44 (**permalink**) 02-03-2007

Actually Doniston I would like to know how you came by that information as well.

3.14 · #45 (**permalink**) 02-03-2007

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Originally Posted by Alex

Then, I think you are very very naive.

Why? Since I don't support racial profiling?

I don't think I'm being naive. Why exactly should every brown skinned person suffer just because of a few idiots? Yes, this racial profiling causes not just Muslims, but others of similar skin tone to have problems.

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Originally Posted by Truthbetold

Few clowns???? There are millions of illegals in California alone my friend. There was a few in the 70's.

WorldNetDaily: Cost of illegals to California $10.5 billion
I don't want to pay for them. Would you?

WorldNetDaily: Illegals estimated to number 18-20 million
Not a few. Millions costing us 100's of billions.

Here is a fact for you. If a hispanic man is illegally living in the US there is nothing about his appearance that makes him look any different than another man of the same nationality. You can't just look at someone and say "he is an illegal." Unless you go to Santa Ana California where you chances are very high.

So you think it's right to simply randomly pick out groups of people to target? I'm sorry, but thats discrimination, no matter how you look at it.

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