Out of curiosity, how would you solve the problem ?
What I mean is; “If you had to gather up all of the illegals, how would you do it” ?
No amnesty or anything like that, you have to get these people.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

Carefully, and with reason.

If you read the articles I posted we are not talking about a few. We are talking about millions. At least call a spade a spade Rahul.

The only way not to discriminate is to let them stay. Sorry I'm not fronting the bill. They are costing the average tax payer 1100+ dollars a year. That is one months rent if you are in poverty. 4 car payments if you are middle class. And 1 cigar if you are filthy rich. We have to do something and these people look just like the rest of the hispanics already here some who have taken legal steps to become a citizen.

Do you think they are just grabbing people with or without ID's? Nope. They are grabbing people who can't show proper ID. Its not discrimination. We have a problem with illegals in the states that border Mexico. When people break the law they get rounded up whether it be a murderer, rapist, or illegal immigrant.

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If the average person's butt caught on fire I'd be willing to bet the American media could convince them its not in their best interest to put it out.

I was waiting for that question ... I don't know, to be honest. On the other hand, I am not entirely sure if random checks are the best way?

There are tons of illegals in the US. I agree.

I agree with you re:costs ... Further, see my response to proUSA.

Now if we're talking racial profiling I could argue forever, but in this case ...

Well said.

But they ARE grabbing people oft times simply because of where ther are. also, it is not true that the problen is just in the border states, (tho they are closer to the source)

Lastly, they can not round them all up and deport them. it is far too late for that. what we have to do is find a reasonable way to Identify them (Photo IDS) and then enforce the laws which are already on the books.

Tell you the truth I don't really care. In my opinion if they are here illegally they should be deported. And the only way to deport them is to ID them. Once ID'd you tell them to show you ID. If they can't show ID, don't speak english, etc then you send them home to their family.

I know the problem isn't just there Doni. They have migrated into other states by now. Its been years since the problem began. They are in every state by now. Why? Because we didn't do a good enough job at stopping them from entering illegally. Aside the hispanics can you imagine how many terrorists have done the same thing?

I know its too late. We have been too lenient for far too long. Too many have entered which is why we keep granting amnesty. About the only thing we can do is stop the flow. Or enforce the law as you suggested and deport those caught.

Tell you what. You mail me the $1138 they are costing you per year and I'll go pay their medical, food, and housing bill for you totally free.

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If the average person's butt caught on fire I'd be willing to bet the American media could convince them its not in their best interest to put it out.

There needs not to be a wall. No massive deportation is necessary. Enforce the law on employers to the fullest extent across the board, getting rid of the illegal jobs. When they have no source of income and realize nobody is going to give them the illegal work and that the U.S. will have to learn and do without them -- many of them will leave on their own in droves.

Can you substantiate this claim with any facts?

Sorry, that is not a plan. That's an attitude.

remember the story that if the Chinese would walk past you four abreast, they would forever have more than enough to keep doing so. the same is true with this problem. It is all well and good to deport all that we apprehend. but you are talking of upwards of 11,000.000 We just can't do ot. unfortunately amnesty when laws are obeyed is the only way.

Actually there is another way, and that is the American Union, which I beleive is coming. I don't think there is any way areround it. For those who don't know what that is, it is the amalgomation of Mexico, Canada and the US with open borders, and basically a Tri-nation.

(my typo "and" should be "are") m The Claim??? Facts yes, I just provided them, But I'm not about to go looking for proof of what I already Know. and have witnessed.

It was also tongue-in-cheek.

Earlier you just said you were for enforcing the laws on the books, now you spout the idea of a merged Tri-nation, which would come about in defiance of these laws? What is that?

Actually what you have accused of happening is a fairly serious statement, and after a quick browse through this thread, I see you have never posted any such source to your claims of legals being picked up simply because they're hispanic, after having been asked numerous times - only your personal anecdote (possibly based on hear-say.) You are simply full of it in this regard if you expect anybody to equate your 'hear, say, think it' outlook on this as solid fact.