Only if he comes into the house, because if he is still on the other side of a locked door, he's not an imminent physical threat.

Matt

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Have to disagree.

Maybe the person's not an immediate physical threat, but the threat is certainly immiment.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

Matt

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Hehe, OK ...

I agree with your basic theory though in that guns by themselves don't cause problems ... Hell, I actually wish some other nations would allow their citizens to own guns (without a bunch of BS paperwork) like the US does. Trust me, it would come in handy, way more so than in the US ...

My point is, I am not the aggressor. I am just minding my own business, when someone decides to break into my house/ mug me. Why should I get a black eye, just because the other guy decides to assail me? What did I do wrong?


Don't get me wrong, I am no stranger to black eyes. Part of a fun night out back when I was in my 20's usually involved fisticuffs. It went with the territory.

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If common sense were common, we would all have it (including me).

Do you think it may be because burglary isn't an offence which requires the death penalty!

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Virgil

Because you have upped the ante.

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Virgil

No, criminals upped the ante when they started carrying cheap black market handguns down the front of their pants. Criminals have become extremely violent due to gangs and our war on drugs. People have always carried in the country. Always. It was only recently that crime swept the nation.

And how could somebody carrying concealed up the ante in the first place? Nobody knows that they are carrying, hence concealed.

That's one way of looking at it.

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Virgil

That's a fact. When the nearest LE response is 30 or more minutes away, in good weather and the patrol isn't on the other side of the county, you take care of yourself. A truck gun to handle any type of vermin is SOP, and I'm unaware of our current violent social ill of home invasions taking place outside metropolitan areas.

How? It's a concealed firearm. Other people don't know it is there.

That's not a very compelling argument you have there.

Matt

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Their offence, in my eyes, is not the intent to commit burglary. I don't know why they are there at all. And I must assume the worst. I must assume that they are there to cause harm to myself and my family, because I will not have the time to say, "Oh, you're just here to nick the TV? Well, then, fisticuffs it is!"

So, I have to assume worst case scenario and act accordingly. As I said before, if they are not deterred by my two dogs and my security system, they should not be surprised by the angry, gun-wielding property owner and fathertelling them to lay down and wait for the police to arrive. And they should not be surprised if they don't comply and I shoot them. Because their life is not as important to me as the lives of my wife and children. At that point, natural selection is at work.

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If common sense were common, we would all have it (including me).

I agree with your worst case scenario. We live in the mountains in semi-isolation and I've installed a security system that includes a gated entrance on the only access road, motion detector lights/sound at the gate, motion detector infra-red camera coverage of the gate and motion detector two-way communication with the gate. There's a sign at the gate that clearly states 'private property, absolutely no admittance, video surveillance monitored at a remote site'. Our house, exterior and interior, and grounds are covered by the same detection and surveillance technology, all based on an IP server with it's own website.

If someone tells me I should question the motive of anyone trying to enter our home without my permission, I'm afraid I'd have to laugh in their face, after I stopped shooting.

Alaska and Vermont have very small populations and you don't see many people carrying open, do you? So i guess its fair to assume that less than 3% of all Americans are carrying handguns regularly, that ain't much. I find it strange that the percentage of yes votes in the poll is so high then - must be a coincidence.

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It all comes down to this on election day: Are you a racist, or do you look down on spastics?

And another: http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pb...=2007703050350

I think we know exactly what would have happened if the permit holder had not been there.

Matt

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