The lunacy is in that anyone actually thinks this makes society safer.

What parts of the US are you referring to??? The only places I would assume legal non-military or police gun owners would be armed are at gun shows and stores, at shooting ranges, and on state game-lands during hunting seasons.

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Touche my friend ... the lunacy is thinking that an inanimate object is to blame for crime and death.

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Any state with CCW laws for a start.

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Where on earth did you hear this load of nonsense?

Matt

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It must be the truth surely? Why else do so many people choose to go armed in public? Are you saying it is for self aggrandisement?

The vast majority of people licensed to carry a firearm never need to use it.

The difference is that if you are confronted with an armed criminal bent on doing you harm, your options are to try and de-escalate, flee and hope the police get there in time to help.

My options are de-escalate, flee, hope the police show up, and if there is no other choice, I can meet his armed deadly force with my own.

Who do so many people have car insurance beyond the minimum required? Is it because they hope to get into an accident?

Matt

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What "parts of the US" are you referring to?

Where, "in some places in the States" does one normally suspect an armed confrontation?

Please cite your sources too... thanks.

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If the odds are you never need to use it then it seems you are concocting some sort of scenario in the attempt to justify the carrying of a firearm.
The facts are you are far more likely to get killed and injured by your own weapon than to use it effectively in self defense. 95% of homeowners killed in their own home were shot with their own weapons, doesnt this tell you something?

Where did you come up with this 95% figure? Source, please.

You still don't get it. I choose to have a final option in the face of an armed criminal. I don't ever want to use it, and hope I never even have to consider it.

But if it ever happens, I'll have an option you don't.

That's your choice.

But neither of us has any right telling the other they cannot do what they feel is right here.

Matt

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But your choice means necassarily condemning so many innocent people to death every year. Your country has a huge rate of child mortality due to your right to own a firearm. How does this make you feel?

"Huge rate"?

Still awaiting a source for the "95%" claim. Guess we'll add the "huge rate" to the list...

That said, there are two groups of child deaths due to guns.

First are the 17 year old gang members - not really "kids being killed by guns".

Second are the actual accidental deaths of children. These are quite rare, and are 100% the fault of the owner of the firearm. These should, IMHO, all be handled as criminal cases against the person who made the gun accessible to the child.

Matt

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That's quite silly. There are no areas I know of where a majority of citizens have CCW permits. It’s difficult to find an area, at least an urban area, where the majority even own guns.

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From the Brady site.
Brady Campaign - Firearms Facts
Im sure those children killed take comfort in the fact that the so called careless gun owners can be prosecuted
How can your society live with this?

LOL .. citing the Brady site for a source ... priceless!!!

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