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View Poll Results: Do You Regularly Carry A Firearm?
Yes 47 29.94%
No 110 70.06%
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Old 03-20-2007
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Wonder what penalty you would get for shooting unarmed people who attack you on the street?
Whether a criminal is using a gun, knife, club, bat or some other inanimate object doesn't change the definition of assault, battery or some other violent crime.

People do kill other people with their fists.
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Did I answer this already? I feel obligated to each time I see the question.
I have a gun. Can I carry it?
Only if I say I am going to a shooting range.
That is how you get away with carrying a gun in PA.
And, the gun must not be loaded.
I dont know how this would help me in the event of the inevitable - nonetheless there are shooting ranges aplenty around here.
Thanks for asking.
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Did I answer this already? I feel obligated to each time I see the question.
I have a gun. Can I carry it?
Only if I say I am going to a shooting range.
That is how you get away with carrying a gun in PA.
And, the gun must not be loaded.

I dont know how this would help me in the event of the inevitable - nonetheless there are shooting ranges aplenty around here.
Thanks for asking.
Is that the law for the whole state or just for Philadelphia?
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Is that the law for the whole state or just for Philadelphia?
Pennsylvania is a shall issue state, which means anyone over 21-yrs without a felony conviction can apply for a concealed weapon carry permit and it will be issued. Here's a site that lists all the state/city laws:

Packing.org Concealed Carry (CCW), Concealed Weapon Permit, Concealed Weapon Law : Home

(choose state in upper left corner)
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Old 03-25-2007
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Is that the law for the whole state or just for Philadelphia?

PA is a "shall issue" state. Carry permits are pretty easy to get anywhere outside of Philly, and maybe Pittsburg (I don't get out there much, so I'm not sure how they are).
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Re: Do You Carry A Gun?

I heard something about a new regulation that might come.
It should be harder to get a permission for a firearm,
Is that true?
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PA is a "shall issue" state. Carry permits are pretty easy to get anywhere outside of Philly, and maybe Pittsburg (I don't get out there much, so I'm not sure how they are).
Can people without a U.S citizenship or without a permanent residence in the U.S also get a carry permit in the "shall issue" states?
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Can people without a U.S citizenship or without a permanent residence in the U.S also get a carry permit in the "shall issue" states?
Here’s info from the site Americano so kindly posted.


How do I apply for a Permit/License?

You must be 21 to apply for a Concealed Firearms Permit.

Pennsylvania is a shall issue state handled by County Sheriff's offices with the exception of the city of Philadelphia which is handled by the Police Department. An application form is required. Whether you need to apply in person is dependent upon the county. There are some other differences as some counties require a passport like photograph for processing.

Special Sports Permit for Hunting or Fishing From County Treasurer's Offices--

A sportsman's firearms PERMIT allows one who holds a fishing, hunting, trapping, or dog-training license to carry a handgun while engaged in that activity, or moving to and from that activity (but not loaded in a motor vehicle). To obtain one, apply to the county Treasurer (not Sheriff) and bring your hunting or fishing etc. license. The cost is $6 for 5 years. The permit is issued IMMEDIATELY and WITHOUT any application process (other than to list one's name and address and description). One need not be a resident of Pennsylvania to have a permit, but must have a Pennsylvania license for fishing, hunting, trapping, dog training. The Sportsman's permit is a good option for those who only want to have a handgun while hunting or fishing. It's very easy to obtain, at a reasonable cost, and it's issued immediately.

Documents required

- Recent Photo
- Names, Address, Phone number's of Two References.
- Non Resident Permit if a non resident applying for a PA permit. (Non residents from states that do not issue permits can apply.)
- Most counties want a photo but many do not put it on the Permit.
- Most counties want a copy of your driver's license or state issued ID.

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PA is a "shall issue" state. Carry permits are pretty easy to get anywhere outside of Philly, and maybe Pittsburg (I don't get out there much, so I'm not sure how they are).
They just dont want people carrying handguns in the large cities, apparently. Its impossible for ordinary people to get a carry permit in Washington, New York and Los Angeles. I wonder if its the same in other large cities like Chicago, San Fransisco, Seattle etc.?
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They just dont want people carrying handguns in the large cities, apparently. Its impossible for ordinary people to get a carry permit in Washington, New York and Los Angeles. I wonder if its the same in other large cities like Chicago, San Fransisco, Seattle etc.?
In the state of California or New York City it takes serious political connections, a member of LE, public or private, or being in the rare gem trade to obtain a concealed weapons permit. Other major cities have lesser degrees of legislation regarding those permits, most often politically serviceable.
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I heard something about a new regulation that might come.
It should be harder to get a permission for a firearm,
Is that true?
New regulation WHERE?

In most of the US, one need not obtain a permit to own a gun. In the majority of the US, one can obtain a concealed carry permit quite easily. It is getting less and less restrictive with each passing year. In fact, Montana has a bill up before its legislature (may be law now) turning Montana into the next "Vermont-carry" state. This phrase means that NO permit is required.
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They just dont want people carrying handguns in the large cities, apparently. Its impossible for ordinary people to get a carry permit in Washington, New York and Los Angeles. I wonder if its the same in other large cities like Chicago, San Fransisco, Seattle etc.?
Just to clarify - its currently easy to get a carry permit in Washington DC - as the law forbidding ownership has been rendered void.
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Why do you all need guns? Is it a "look at me I'm cool" thing?
If no one has one, no one can shoot anyone?? Why don't you just ban them?
Not like you need them for national defence, is it? It's all robot bombs and planes nowadays.
Yes, I'm aware it's simplistic. I've lived in the US and know about gun lobbies. I've lived in the UK and know about living without the fear of guns in society. The latter is better.
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Why do you all need guns? Is it a "look at me I'm cool" thing?
If no one has one, no one can shoot anyone?? Why don't you just ban them?
Not like you need them for national defence, is it? It's all robot bombs and planes nowadays.
Yes, I'm aware it's simplistic. I've lived in the US and know about gun lobbies. I've lived in the UK and know about living without the fear of guns in society. The latter is better.
Good luck.
It's not as easy as that, America citizens believe it is their right to bare arms. Something to do with their forefathers and how the West was won, I think. However, guns really do kill people.

Of course not everyone is responsible, nor as we have sadly witnessed recently, are completely sane. For sure gun control means there are less guns in the hands of ordinary people. It also means less guns in the hands of criminals who might want to harm your husband, wife, sister, brother or children.

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Why do you all need guns? Is it a "look at me I'm cool" thing?
If no one has one, no one can shoot anyone?? Why don't you just ban them?
Not like you need them for national defence, is it? It's all robot bombs and planes nowadays.
Yes, I'm aware it's simplistic. I've lived in the US and know about gun lobbies. I've lived in the UK and know about living without the fear of guns in society. The latter is better.
Good luck.
The right to bear arms is one of the most important rights for any person, not only Americans. An armed citizenry is basically the only thing that can stop a government if it becomes too abusive, so one can say that the right to bear arms is a balance of power between the government and its people. A government will hesitate to abuse its people if it thinks that the people will rise against it. That's the idea that the right to bear arms is founded on. Once people have no weapons, the government can start to take away more and more rights without having to worry about their people rising up and defending their rights, because the people can't arm themselves. I'd hate to live in the UK for that reason. How can I trust a government that doesn't allow it's citizens to protect themselves from it? Taking away the right to bear arms is a significant step towards a totalitarian dystopia.

And... if you took away all guns, people would just kill each other with knives. And criminals would just get guns illegally, which means law abiding citizens would have no guns to defend themselves from a criminal.
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