Originally Posted by scotlandforever

Why do you all need guns? Is it a "look at me I'm cool" thing?

Originally Posted by scotlandforever

Why do you all need guns? Is it a "look at me I'm cool" thing?
If no one has one, no one can shoot anyone?? Why don't you just ban them?
Not like you need them for national defence, is it? It's all robot bombs and planes nowadays.
Yes, I'm aware it's simplistic. I've lived in the US and know about gun lobbies. I've lived in the UK and know about living without the fear of guns in society. The latter is better.
Good luck.

Originally Posted by iTaliAN_ICe

The right to bear arms is one of the most important rights for any person, not only Americans. An armed citizenry is basically the only thing that can stop a government if it becomes too abusive, so one can say that the right to bear arms is a balance of power between the government and its people. A government will hesitate to abuse its people if it thinks that the people will rise against it. That's the idea that the right to bear arms is founded on. Once people have no weapons, the government can start to take away more and more rights without having to worry about their people rising up and defending their rights, because the people can't arm themselves. I'd hate to live in the UK for that reason. How can I trust a government that doesn't allow it's citizens to protect themselves from it? Taking away the right to bear arms is a significant step towards a totalitarian dystopia.

And... if you took away all guns, people would just kill each other with knives. And criminals would just get guns illegally, which means law abiding citizens would have no guns to defend themselves from a criminal.

Originally Posted by iTaliAN_ICe

The right to bear arms is one of the most important rights for any person, not only Americans. An armed citizenry is basically the only thing that can stop a government if it becomes too abusive, so one can say that the right to bear arms is a balance of power between the government and its people. A government will hesitate to abuse its people if it thinks that the people will rise against it. That's the idea that the right to bear arms is founded on. Once people have no weapons, the government can start to take away more and more rights without having to worry about their people rising up and defending their rights, because the people can't arm themselves. I'd hate to live in the UK for that reason. How can I trust a government that doesn't allow it's citizens to protect themselves from it? Taking away the right to bear arms is a significant step towards a totalitarian dystopia.

Originally Posted by scotlandforever

Why do you all need guns? Is it a "look at me I'm cool" thing?

Originally Posted by scotlandforever

If no one has one, no one can shoot anyone??

Originally Posted by scotlandforever

Why don't you just ban them?

Originally Posted by scotlandforever

Not like you need them for national defence, is it? It's all robot bombs and planes nowadays.

Originally Posted by scotlandforever

Yes, I'm aware it's simplistic.

Originally Posted by scotlandforever

I've lived in the US and know about gun lobbies.

Originally Posted by scotlandforever

I've lived in the UK and know about living without the fear of guns in society. The latter is better.
Good luck.

Originally Posted by EricOKC

More of a "leave me alone and I'll leave you alone" kind of thing.




Yes, that's worked SO well with everything else which has ever been banned.

You have to start somewhere...


You do realize Scotland is the single most violent nation on the planet, according to the UN anyway, don't you?

Originally Posted by scotlandforever

What are the death rates given in the figures? It's a different subject, but the violence here is mostly drug-related and confined within the drug subculture. It's not gun led.

Originally Posted by EricOKC

You do realize Scotland is the single most violent nation on the planet, according to the UN anyway, don't you?

Originally Posted by Wallaroo

There are very few murders per year in the UK due to the fact that guns are so hard to get. Lots of violence with and without knives, but very few murders. The British police have only shot and killed 15 people in the period from 2001 - 2007, where the Danish police have shot and killed 11 in the same period. This says a lot when you consider that the UK has a population 11 times bigger than Denmark.

Originally Posted by GOPskitz

I do often carry a firearm with me, concealed illeagally. (I live in La how the hell am i gonn get a concealed carry permit?) I saw the poll and was saddened...72 percent of people do not carry a gun... If 90 percent of criminals carry a weapon and 72 percent of civilians are unarmed do you really belive that people who mean to do you harm are really gonna stop? Why should they? You have no means of defending yourself!

Originally Posted by Wallaroo

I don't believe for a second that the average modern Americans with their comfortable and convenient lifestyles are willing to risk both their own and their families lives in an armed conflict with the government. A hundred years ago maybe, but today - no fucking way.

Originally Posted by Wallaroo

What kinda penalty would you be facing if you get cought with that gun and no carry permit in LA?

Originally Posted by Steve

It would be a Hell of a lot better than if he needed it to defend himself, and he didn't have it...

Originally Posted by GOPskitz

Yes sir, which is why i carry. Now its not all the time, but you best belive once i have a child it will be. No jail time or fine is worth the life of my kid!!