I guess its a matter of public opinion on guns and a matter of faith in the governement to protect you.

I for one would not want half of our lower class in possession of guns. Theres enough violence already. Can you imagine football violence or uprisings while the people have guns? brrr...

Great for the UK. I'm not talking about the UK and am more concerned about gun policy in the US at the moment. But no perceivable government can make guns completely unavailable. If a criminal wants a gun, he will get one.

I don't know, but we certainly aren't the UK. Why should we base our policy on that of another nation? Every nation is different and each has it's own unique needs.

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I'm not saying we should, II. I'm saying that what works for us may not work for others, and vice versa.

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When they come a wull staun ma groon
Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

Sorry, I probably didn't read your post correctly. Yeah, I'd agree.

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As a rule, Americans do not have that kind of faith in government. Quite frankly, considering history, I cannot understand why anyone would. Government is not there to protect anyone.
Ok - now that is just simply an elitist outlook. What you're saying with that is, unless someone reaches a certain socioeconomic level, he isn't truly human, and doesn't deserve the same rights and freedoms. That kind of attitude just makes me sick.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

On the contrary. Governements most important task is to protect your rights.

I am not elitist. I am not even middle class. There are some very bad neighborhoods out there where people seem constantly at war with authorities. And they are lower class. Gypsy scum in particular. Police cannot enter these places without riot equipment. I wont harbor the illusion that they are unarmed now but there are huge risks for them if they ever show up with a firearm.

I just want to clarify that have not and have never been against ownership of guns in the US. appearantly it seems to work for you. I feel safer with the majority unarmed.

Protecting your rights is not the same as relying upon the government for protection. Besides, how can you trust your government to protect your rights when it demonstrates that it wont allow you to protect your own life?
Not wanting to allow people to own weapons merely because of their economic condition makes you elitist. If you're offended, do not question me, but rather question why you think they are somehow less deserving of the same rights wealthier people may enjoy.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Shooting people is not a right but a crime

Just because I state that I dont want to see gypsies with guns doesnt mean I do want others to have them. I want nobody to have guns. I wouldnt really care if a millionaire had a gun though but I do see the need of treating everyone equal.

So if a man charges someone with a knife with the intent of killing and robbing them, and I shoot the man with a gun and kill him, I am the criminal?

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If someone tries to rob me and has me cornered I'd prefer giving him some cash above killing him. The goal doesnt always justify the means.

If someone was robbing me, I'd rather shoot him (not necessarily kill him) than lose my money. I wouldn't need to kill him, I'd just need to hurt him to the point where he would no longer be a threat and I would no longer be in danger of him hurting or killing me. How do I know he isn't planning to shoot me as soon as he takes the money? I would never kill someone in a situation like this unless I had to to stop them from killing me or some other innocent person. And if they were, you bet I'd kill them if I had to.

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Apparently, you've not spent much time amongst the gypsies.

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"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither breaks my leg, nor picks my pocket."

Thomas Jefferson

Depends on the circumstance. If you must shoot someone in self defense, for example, it is not a crime.
So you dont care who has them as long as they meet YOUR standards.

Yep - you're an elitist.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Thats assuming he was trying to rob you. The scenario given was not "what if someone was trying to rob me" it was "what if someone comes at me with a knife". There is a big difference.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.