Oh, i see now...Goober doesnt know anyone who knew their ass from a hole in the ground, so EVERYONE in the world is a fucking idiot since almighty Goober doesnt know any different.

Ever think the problem MIGHT be your choice of associates? No, of course not - you're the Omnipotent Goober.
Well no shit. Guess what? Accidental car deaths typically involve the car owner or his family. Big fucking surprise there.
So what? Neither the presence nor even availability of firearms has any effect on overall suicide rates. THAT is the single lamest, ignorant and easily dismissed argument in favor of gun control I may have ever heard. It is also a brutally clear sign that you havent a clue and are operating on emotion, not fact. Thanks for sharing your ignorance with us though - i needed the laugh.
Again, so what? Because ~10000 people annually get killed in a nation of 300 million i'm supposed to give a damn and degrade MY rights?
Provably false. Defensive gun uses, as pointed out in this and countless other threads, happen on the order of 750,000 times a year. Since you've demonstrated your ignorance in so many areas - I'm going to assume you cannot handle the simple math which indicates they are used ~7.5 times more frequently to SAVE a life than to take one.
Ask. Me. If. I. Fucking. Care.

The number is irrelevant. People die every day from all manner of causes and events. Just because you allow your life to be ruled by your irrational fears and the irrational fears of others, doesn't mean I will do so.

Has my response been harsh? Sure has. Have you demonstrated an unforgivable and intolerable degree if ignorance and stupidity deserving of such a response? Yes - in fact, you demonstrated a degree of stupidity which frankly would be lethal were it not for the fact that technology has largely invalidated natural selection.

Society hasn't evolved past the need for weapons, goober. What has happened, unfortunately, is technology has ensured that people who really should be killed by their own stupidity at an early age, somehow make it to adulthood and think (wrongly) that their incompetence is somehow worthy of consideration.

This may well be the last post I of yours to which I ever respond - unless you can come up with one even dumber, in which case I'll ridicule you even further.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Yet somehow, guns are used properly far more frequently than not.
No they arent actually, which ONCE AGAIN , demonstrates your incredible lack of information on this topic. They are designed as a compromise between being unarmed and having to carry a larger, heavier, two-handed weapon.
So what? I carry a concealed weapon so the fear-driven idiots in this world don't shit their pants whenever i walk in the room.

I don't give a fuck WHAT kind of weapons you have a problem with. Just because something bothers your ignorant ass doesn't give you any level of authority to demand others don't have it.

Here's a novel idea - you worry about yourself, and I'll worry about myself. Sound good? Great. Now shut up and go away.
And if there was no gun handy, they'd hang themselves, cut themselves, pop some pills, jump off a building or in front of a bus. Perhaps they'd even bore themselves to death by listening to you pontificate on subjects about which you haven't even a surface comprehension. Regardless of method, removing that tool will NOT change the suicide rate. This can (and has) been proven over and over and over again because the emotion-driven among us (i.e. YOU) cannot seem to learn the first few dozen times we prove you wrong and it has to be repeated.
You really ARE ignorant aren't you? Get out in the real world, stop reading the bullshit from the Brady Campaign and learn a thing or two about murders and the people who commit them before you spew your tripe.
So what? The problem isnt the gun, its the kids dad for being an idiot. Not my problem.
Well since you're so fond of statistics, you may wish to consider that 750,000 defensive gun uses per year works out to ~2055 times PER DAY. Now maybe you cant comprehend this, but 2000 is a LOT bigger than 35 (i refuse to consider suicides in this because they have nothing to do with gun control).
PROVE how the presence of a gun is a direct health hazard merely by its presence. Not conjecture, or whining about how it MIGHT be misused, but by its simple existence.

You cant - so don't try.

Even if it WERE - there are many things which kill FAR more people accidentally every year which we tolerate, and even encourage, in our presence.

Your argument is childish, ignorant, and frankly I'm done even indulging those like you who don't have the decency and respect to learn a fucking thing about that which they do not understand and simply expect the rest of us to pander to their stupidity.

Its embarrassing to the rest of the human race to realize something so intellectually stunted managed to survive to adulthood and possibly reproduce. The rest of us become dumber by exposure to your mental vomit.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Well, I can say that I don't know those people. I tend to surround myself with people who actually know what the fuck they're doing...

Yes, that's what they're designed to do. I'm cool with that...

Feel free to provide a reference for that...

So because 75 people are stupid, that should impact the rights of those who aren't?

Well, that'll certainly give him sufficient time to ruminate over his being an idiot...

So, blame the owner of that gun. Please don't allow your panty-twisting hysterics to blame me...

And that, for me, is enough. One person using his firearm for its' intended purpose trumps all of the idiots who don't...

Horseshit.

Every time someone lights a cigarette, he's impacting the health of himself and those around him. Not so with a firearm...

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You live in California. Isn't that a state with some of the worst handgun ownership laws. Not even speaking of the City ordinances....

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Yep.

What's your point?

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

Are you suggesting my .22 target pistol was designed with killing people as its primary function? I would think not.

Ultimately what hand guns are designed to do is to initiate the mechanical operation of having the firing pin move forward with enough force to make a small dent in metal.
Anything after that, the function of its use is up to its operator.

Goober,



This was not designed to kill people.

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Keeping in mind that I know the picture is a high end target air-pistol. That thing looks more like a medieval torture device. Though I would bet that is one hell of a tackdriver. Mine isnt that fancy.

It's called projection - that's how he thinks he would act if he were licensed to carry, so therefore everyone who is licensed to carry would act that way.

The truth doesn't remotely bear this out, of course.

Matt

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I touched a raw nerve, just pointing out that the people I know who carry have on balance brought more harm to themselves than they have avoided by carrying.
Those are the facts I have, I know it's just anecdotal, but it's all still true.

meanwhile, I'd love to see where that 750,000 defensive uses of firearms a year comes from, cuz it sounds like it's been pulled right out of thin air.

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I think few will disagree that there are some people who would be better off without carrying. There are some who think because I have a CCP I can whip out my gun at the first sign of danger, and when a gun comes into play, the situation does for obvious reasons escalate quickly. When the bottom line is that a CCP, the first word is concealed.
Which is where thier guns should stay until they are absolutely willing and able to bring it into play without getting themselves or other innocents hurt.
There is a segment in the population that carry guns where those people exist. They are far from the majority.

Why should the actual number matter?

If even just one person is able to protect himself with a firearm, for me, that's enough...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

Probably because you claimed that ALL people who carry are like those whom you knew.
No, those were not "facts" which you expressed. You used your personal opinion of the actions of a few whom you knew. Actions which you probably interpreted differently than most would because you were privy to information which caused you to see their actions in a negative light - said information being that you knew they carried.

In turn, you projected your biases and limited experience onto everyone, and in the process accused many of us of behavior we find abhorrent.
Sure, no problem. Here you go:

http://www.ncjrs.org/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Read it and LEARN.

Here are the results of another 13 studies which find the number of uses to be between 764k per year and 4.5 million per year.

GunCite: Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

In addition, there is the NCVS result which, while substantially smaller than the rest, is STILL orders of magnitude greater than the number of criminal uses at 108,000 times per year.

In short Goober, the number of legal and legitimate uses of a firearm far outstrip the number of criminal uses. On that basis alone, gun ownership is demonstrably of greater benefit than harm.

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