I consider what were doing a form of "play".

We were not pointing them at each other,
or tossing them back and forth. We were
only shooting them and watching the pellets
hit the ice.

I can't think of any other word than "play"
to describe it, and the word does not
automatically connote irresponsible behavior,
whatever you might think.

Shooting at a target range would also be "play".
So for that matter, now that I have thought
it over, is any recreational discharge of a firearm.

So I guess you have "played" with guns yourself,
wiseguy.

Don't get so wadded up over nothing, OK?

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Nobody said that you should walk away with your head down - after all you got your pride to look after right? The appropriate response would be to yell some things at the offender IMO. According to the law you are not allowed to defend yourself physically against a non-physical attack - IE hitting someone for spitting on your daughter or calling you names. People who carry a gun are supposed to do anything possible to avoid a violent conflict, because it might turn out that they'll need to draw their gun and fire.

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The question is well put though. If someone spat on one of my kids I would feel a burning desire to hit them. But if there were 5 of them? I would have to concede that I could do little to respond. If I had a gun however I may feel a sense of elevated security and react in a manner that escalated the situation . If I confronted the person who initiated the situation no doubt the others may by weight of numbers come to his defence. Then I produce the weapon then we are presented with a possible gun fight over someone spitting on someone. Before you jump to tell me you would do this or that the point is about what people would do generally. There will be a range of reactions no doubt from the hot heads who consider everyone else expendable scum to those who are in full control of their emotions and can rationalise in an instant the situation
It is an example of where otherwise safe gun owners could be pushed into a situation that they may regret or into a situation where people are harmed for the most trivial reason .

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Of course, that's not the situation presented. The way it was presented was one person spitting on your kid, and you have a gun.

Thus far, we're all in agreement that drawing a gun would in that situation would be inappropriate.

So, without further dodging on your part, and without changing the scenario to help you avoid answering (because I could just say "Well, what if 20 of my Hell's Angels friends are with me?"), what would be the appropriate response?

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

Only to immature people with firearms.

By the way, shooting at a target is called "practice"...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

This is interesting, yet remarkably stupid at the same time:

Yell at him?

Are you fucking serious??



So if I walk up to your kid, or your wife, and spit in their face, you're going to "yell" at me???

That's too fucking funny...

You need to cite that section of the law.

Do it please.

This should be funny.

Oh, and by the way, spitting on someone is considered a physical assault.

But go ahead and cite that law anyway...

"Supposed to"?

Based on what?

Your own hysterical little fears?

This is where it gets stupid.

If I don't have a gun on me, according to your special little brand of logic, it's okay to react. Now, here's the thing: if I do, and if it the confrontation escalates to the point where I "need" to draw my gun, I'd damn well better have it with me.

I don't believe you have the first fucking clue regarding what's required of those who carry weapons, what the law is regarding assaults, the concept of escalation of force, etc. You grasp none of it.

But I'm enjoying watching you belch up your silly bullshit.

"Yell at them".



That's the funniest fucking thing I've read all night...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

Which would have to include you.




"Target practice" is a form of "play".

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It would "have" to?

Sorry, Sport, but you're sadly mistaken.

I don't "play" with firearms. I use them.

There's an ocean of difference between the two, but I harbor no illusion that you'll ever understand that...

Go to a police shooting range, and "play" with guns. See what happens. You'll get booted in a New York minute...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

you are wasting your time Steve , that guy is utterly clueless

If Someone spits on you or your daughter and then walks away, then it is not an ongoing assault. To hit a guy doing that (tempting as it is) would be revenge instead of self defense, and I cannot imagine that the American penalty code is different than the Danish one when it comes to that.

Matt and Eric have already told me that they wouldn't even respond if a stranger on the street abused them verbally, since doing that might escalate into a violent conflict. I brought out the spitting example since that would be even more provoking than someone abusing you verbally.

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Oh, so now the guy does it and walks away?

How about lettin' me know when you're done changing up your little fantasy scenario.

I imagine they're quite similar.

The guy would still get stomped into a shitty mudhole...

There was some homeless guy walking through the parking lot at the post office today. I got out of my truck and he began to unleash a verbal barrage at me. I ignored him and walked on into the post office. Had he spit on me, I'd have beaten him until he stopped bleeding...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

actually the law varies from city to city and state to state concerning what constitutes a physical assault.
in this locality , if you spit on me I am within my rights to respond to a physical attack ( this means you get your ass kicked )
as an enforcement officer , I would encourage you to go get cleaned up and not assault anyone else or you would find yourself in jail for your behavior.

Bullshit.

The law also requires a response in proportion to the initial assault.

Being spit on is not license to kick the crap out of someone. That is not defending yourself.

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come and spit on me and find out.

One reason I bought my place out here is so I and my buddies could responsibly "play" with firearms. I would submit this is somewhat an argument of semantics.

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