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View Poll Results: Do You Regularly Carry A Firearm?
Yes 47 29.94%
No 110 70.06%
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Oh, so now the guy does it and walks away?

How about lettin' me know when you're done changing up your little fantasy scenario.



I imagine they're quite similar.

The guy would still get stomped into a shitty mudhole...



There was some homeless guy walking through the parking lot at the post office today. I got out of my truck and he began to unleash a verbal barrage at me. I ignored him and walked on into the post office. Had he spit on me, I'd have beaten him until he stopped bleeding...
That doesn't really seem an appropriate response, and I doubt and hope any jury in this country would agree with you.

You may want to lay off the red meat a bit.
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come and spit on me and find out.
In you role as an "enforcement officer" and with the cameras running this would be your final answer?
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come and spit on me and find out.


Oh, goody.

Another internet tough guy.

Generally, I don't spit on people. I try to behave like a civilized human being.
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In you role as an "enforcement officer" and with the cameras running this would be your final answer?
nope , to someone who acts like pram when I stated the facts of the matter concerning the locale where I know exactly what the law says and how it is enforced that is my answer.


as a person who does try to uphold the law , my answer would be not to engage in any activity which will draw a response which would enable you to be made absolutely certain of the actual reading of the law in that area .


behavior such as spitting on persons is a physical assault in my jurisdiction.
if someone beats someones butt over it then we do not actively cite them ,

if the spitter pushed the issue they would come off the worse in the local courts
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Oh, goody.

Another internet tough guy.

Generally, I don't spit on people. I try to behave like a civilized human being.
no I just got tired of your little know-it-all 'tude.

I seriously doubt you are older than 14

I stated the facts of the matter in this jurisdiction, believe it or not , test it at your own peril.
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no I just got tired of your little know-it-all 'tude.

I seriously doubt you are older than 14

I stated the facts of the matter in this jurisdiction, believe it or not , test it at your own peril.


Well, given your writing ability (or the lack thereof) it's clear that you haven't received much education past the age of 14. Me? I'm 36. You can see my picture above. Clearly I'm not 14.

Not that I really care what you think.

Unfortunately, you don't seem to have much grasp on the law, either. If you were to beat someone severely for spitting on you, you would go to jail. Maybe you'd like jail and the man-love that comes with it; I'm not sure.

But, in any case, the tough-guy routine, especially on the internet, is just pathetic. You should really consider a different approach.
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Bullshit.

The law also requires a response in proportion to the initial assault.

Being spit on is not license to kick the crap out of someone. That is not defending yourself.
You basically have two choices here:

Cite the law, or admit you don't know what the fuck you're talking about...
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That doesn't really seem an appropriate response, and I doubt and hope any jury in this country would agree with you.
Huh.

Oh, I don't care...
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Old 11-04-2007
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No, I can't. I'm to young to carry a gun, let alone be taken seriously if I expressed a desire to get one. I also think carrying guns is stupid, if no one could get a gun but the military, there wouldn't be any point to carry one for we wouldn't be in danger anyway.
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No, I can't. I'm to young to carry a gun, let alone be taken seriously if I expressed a desire to get one. I also think carrying guns is stupid, if no one could get a gun but the military, there wouldn't be any point to carry one for we wouldn't be in danger anyway.
Right, because nobody has ever been killed or maimed with anything besides a gun....



Tell me, do you think people can be stabbed?
Beaten to death?
Set on fire?

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You basically have two choices here:

Cite the law, or admit you don't know what the fuck you're talking about...
CRS 18-3-202. Specifically section 2:

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(2) (a) If assault in the first degree is committed under circumstances where the act causing the injury is performed upon a sudden heat of passion, caused by a serious and highly provoking act of the intended victim, affecting the person causing the injury sufficiently to excite an irresistible passion in a reasonable person, and without an interval between the provocation and the injury sufficient for the voice of reason and humanity to be heard, it is a class 5 felony.
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Under subsection (2), heat of passion is not an affirmative defense to first degree assault. If found by the jury, it merely results in a reduction of penalty. People v. Pennese, 830 P.2d 1085 (Colo. App. 1991).

By enacting subsection (2)(a), the general assembly maintained the offense of first degree assault, while providing for a lesser sentence if the additional mitigating factor of heat of passion was present. Rowe v. People, 856 P.2d 486 (Colo. 1993).

If first degree assault is committed under heat of passion, it is still a crime of violence and defendant must be sentenced in accordance with § 16-11-309. People v. Farbes, 973 P.2d 704 (Colo. App. 1998); People v. Ferguson, 43 P.3d 705 (Colo. App. 2001).

The general assembly did not intend for heat of passion to be an affirmative defense to the offense of first degree assault. Rowe v. People, 856 P.2d 486 (Colo. 1993).
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(1) Except as provided in subsections (2) and (3) of this section, a person is justified in using physical force upon another person in order to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by that other person, and he may use a degree of force which he reasonably believes to be necessary for that purpose.

(2) Deadly physical force may be used only if a person reasonably believes a lesser degree of force is inadequate and:

(a) The actor has reasonable ground to believe, and does believe, that he or another person is in imminent danger of being killed or of receiving great bodily injury; or

(b) The other person is using or reasonably appears about to use physical force against an occupant of a dwelling or business establishment while committing or attempting to commit burglary as defined in sections 18-4-202 to 18-4-204; or

(c) The other person is committing or reasonably appears about to commit kidnapping as defined in section 18-3-301 or 18-3-302, robbery as defined in section 18-4-301 or 18-4-302, sexual assault as set forth in section 18-3-402, or in section 18-3-403 as it existed prior to July 1, 2000, or assault as defined in sections 18-3-202 and 18-3-203.
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Character of threat or provocation must be shown. To support the defense of self-defense, it must be shown that the provocation or threat occurred immediately prior to the homicide, and must be of such a character as to place the accused in sudden fear of his life or in fear of great bodily injury. English v. People, 178 Colo. 325, 497 P.2d 691 (1972).
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That is law the in your area not in my locale .

local city / county ordnances state that making physical contact in a belligerent manner ... to include bodily fluids thrown or otherwise...
placed in contact with the target person ( this includes spitting ) is a physical attack and the person has every right to defend themselves.




when you grow up , and realize that if you instigate trouble you are responsible for it , and look into the laws of the place you happen to be in at the time because the law here is obviously NOT the law there , then you will know wisdom.

wow your picture hunh? or the picture you nabbed and photo shopped trying to make it look that way... this is the internet pal , a picture isnt proof here.


as to my writing , frankly I dont give a damn about your opinion of it , typing isnt my thing , I have a secretary to do that for me .
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nor do I care much for your other opinions and stupid asides , like your snide comment about first responders on the other thread - even after I cited 3 instances where lives were saved you still are too ignorant , obtuse or stupid to admit your error .

you attempt to claim the high road in your posts but always have a smart aleck thing to say , because you have nothing of substance to contribute

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Blah Blah Blah.


I have neither the time nor the inclination to go through all 50 states' criminal codes. Criminal law in CO is not going to be much different from the laws in other states. If there is a huge variance in Georgia, please cite the law.

Otherwise, junior, you're just in over your head (again).
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Blah Blah Blah.


I have neither the time nor the inclination to go through all 50 states' criminal codes. Criminal law in CO is not going to be much different from the laws in other states. If there is a huge variance in Georgia, please cite the law.

Otherwise, junior, you're just in over your head (again).
son , I was working or hunting the day you were born.
I am not going to cite local law here so idiots like you know where exactly I am,
frankly because we have enough pansy assed , think they know it all ,punks who come here from other places to run off or educate already and having you or someone else like you here is pollution of the countryside .

the simple fact is , I enforce the law here and as such I am telling you that this specifically is what we in our departments ( city and county ) will do in the case of an asinine punk spitting on another person

1) we will not arrest the person who was spit on , if they beat the shit out of the spitter

2) we WILL arrest the person who spit on another if the person who was spit on doesnt beat them up and instead wants us to arrest them.

my comment before which you took to be internet badass speak simply used myself as an example
here is a more neutral one

if you come here and spit on a person and they want I WILL place you under arrest and you will be held for a physical attack / assault


if you come here and spit on someone and they kick your ass, I WILL NOT arrest them if you come whining about having your ass kicked , at the most I will issue them a summons to come to the county courthouse where the local judge will not find them guilty of any crime and lecture you on your bad behavior.

grow up , learn not to think you know everything because no one does ,
stop being an ass.

I am through with your asinine remarks for a while , as you have proven you are immature and unworthy of response in the future.
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None of that concludes someone who's spit upon shouldn't expect a further assault. Self defense is warranted...
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