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View Poll Results: Do You Regularly Carry A Firearm?
Yes 47 29.94%
No 110 70.06%
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So when those Pesky Scots decide it's time to invade, I can defend myself!

Seriously, have you spent any time, at all, reading this thread?
You seem nice

I have, I first posted on it months ago. Still don't understand why any rational, decent person would want to carry an object which has the sole purpose of killing another human being.

They won't save you anyway, we use the skirling bagpipes to stun the enemy before we attack.
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Because there are people out there who would be a lot happier if I didn't.
Do you have police?
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Do you have police?
Of course.

I'll just cut you off at the knees right now rather than pretend you're not anti-gun.

I carry a gun because I, and ONLY I, am responsible for my own safety. That is not the job of the police, and even if it were, as the saying goes... "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away".
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I have, I first posted on it months ago. Still don't understand why any rational, decent person would want to carry an object which has the sole purpose of killing another human being.
Because rational decent people realize that not everyone IS rational and decent.

Thank you, by the way, for once again inserting the absurd and illogical statement that a gun exists for the sole purpose of killing a person. You can pretend that is reality, but it isn't. Even if it WERE, sometimes killing a person is the proper response, and I for one, want to be certain I am properly equipped with the proper tool if that need arises.


p.s. The fact that you still don't understand is frankly your problem sir. Since it has been explained in detail and there are mountains of data available to you with which you could increase your understanding, the only logical conclusion is that you sir, are stupid.

Not ignorant - as ignorance is a lack of knowledge. You have been given the knowledge and refuse to learn - this makes you stupid.
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You seem nice
I have my moments...

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Still don't understand why any rational, decent person would want to carry an object which has the sole purpose of killing another human being.
Well, because not everyone who carries a gun is a rational, decent person.

That's why rational, decent people carry them.

I've used my weapon to protect my wife and I. I wish I hadn't been in that position, but I was. If I didn't have my gun, I'm secure in my belief that we'd have been killed. Because I had a gun, though, the situation had a very different outcome, and my wife and I were not harmed...

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Because rational decent people realize that not everyone IS rational and decent.

Thank you, by the way, for once again inserting the absurd and illogical statement that a gun exists for the sole purpose of killing a person. You can pretend that is reality, but it isn't. Even if it WERE, sometimes killing a person is the proper response, and I for one, want to be certain I am properly equipped with the proper tool if that need arises.


p.s. The fact that you still don't understand is frankly your problem sir. Since it has been explained in detail and there are mountains of data available to you with which you could increase your understanding, the only logical conclusion is that you sir, are stupid.

Not ignorant - as ignorance is a lack of knowledge. You have been given the knowledge and refuse to learn - this makes you stupid.
LOL ...I am stupid. You have addressed me as sir (not even Sir) for the entire post, when I am a woman. But I am stupid...

Anyway, it seems that you must live in a different environment from me. Here, people are not attacked by gun-wielding maniacs with murderous intent, it is safe to walk on the street unarmed.
This is probably because guns are banned here. It is an alien concept to you I suppose, but it does work.

And finally, my opinion differs from yours. That does not make it wrong.
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Of course.

I'll just cut you off at the knees right now rather than pretend you're not anti-gun.

I carry a gun because I, and ONLY I, am responsible for my own safety. That is not the job of the police, and even if it were, as the saying goes... "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away".
Is the police motto not something like "To serve and protect"?
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Anyway, it seems that you must live in a different environment from me. Here, people are not attacked by gun-wielding maniacs with murderous intent, it is safe to walk on the street unarmed.
What do the maniacs with murderous intent use, if you don't mind my asking?

The people who attacked my wife and I didn't use guns. Knives and a pipe were their weapons of choice. A CZ .40 was mine.

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This is probably because guns are banned here. It is an alien concept to you I suppose, but it does work.
It's not an alien concept at all. People have been trying to get guns outlawed here for a long time here. Unfortunately, when that happens, the people who would give up their guns will be the people who need to them to protect themselves from the criminals who don't.

Guns won't magically disappear if there's a ban on them. They'll still be out there, but it'll be only the criminals who have them...
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LOL ...I am stupid. You have addressed me as sir (not even Sir) for the entire post, when I am a woman. But I am stupid...
Basic English grammar - when sex is unknown, assume male. Your screen name is neither masculine nor feminine, and frankly I don't bother reading every profile on here. I have better things to do.. In addition, I would not address you as Sir unless I knew you held the title.
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Anyway, it seems that you must live in a different environment from me.
Yes, we live in the real world.
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Here, people are not attacked by gun-wielding maniacs with murderous intent, it is safe to walk on the street unarmed.
HAHAHAHAHA You apparently do not realize where you live!

My sweet, ignorant lass, Scotland is the single most dangerous country in the world!

Scotland on Sunday - Scotland tops UN danger list with 'booze and blades' culture
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This is probably because guns are banned here.
No, its because you've denied reality. Scotland is an extremely dangerous place - the fact that guns are banned there is incidental.
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It is an alien concept to you I suppose, but it does work.
Why yes, it IS an alien concept to us. We did not grant our government the authority to ban them from private hands. Your country, having been a monarchy for so long, apparently thinks nothing of the ruling class making decisions for the rabble about how they may live and protect their lives.
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And finally, my opinion differs from yours. That does not make it wrong.
It also doesn't make you right. What it makes you is someone who holds an uninformed opinion, as opposed to some who holds an informed opinion.
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Is the police motto not something like "To serve and protect"?
Only in Hollywood my dear - only in Hollywood.

Even if it were, that does not make it their job to ensure my safety.

There are numerous Supreme Court cases supporting that statement. If you would bother to actually READ what is being said in this forum rather than spewing your uninformed tripe, you'd have already learned this factoid.
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Is the police motto not something like "To serve and protect"?
Sure it is.

The Boy Scouts motto is "Be Prepared", but Boy Scouts still get lost in the woods because they didn't bring a compass.

When I had to use my weapon, a police cruiser was two blocks away. Should I have asked my assailants if I could make a quick call?

No, of course not.

Since police are not on every street corner, the protection for me and my wife was only going to come from my shoulder harness...
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Basic English grammar - when sex is unknown, assume male. Your screen name is neither masculine nor feminine.

Yes, we live in the real world.

HAHAHAHAHA You apparently do not realize where you live!

My sweet, ignorant lass, Scotland is the single most dangerous country in the world!
Another unfounded assumption. I am not a lass, I am an adult. I also have earned my degree and have been educated in how to think. I live in the UK, have lived in the US, South America, travel widely in Europe, Canada...
This is the safest place to live. The figures you refer to must be qualified. There is a drug problem here and a subculture. Most crime is related to and confined within that subculture.
Normal people do not carry guns, interact with anyone who does and have no desire to do so. Nor are they much bothered by people with knives. We are very safe on the street here.

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No, its because you've denied reality. Scotland is an extremely dangerous place - the fact that guns are banned there is incidental.
Answered above, it is not in reality.

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Dearie me, this is too far. The UK is not governed by a monarchy nor by a ruling class. Our monarchy is a figurehead, we keep it because it impresses the tourists. The UK is governed by an elected parliament which represents the wishes of the electorate much more closely than the US governmental structure does. The US government is set up in such a way that once elected, your representatives are barely accountable at all to your public.

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It also doesn't make you right. What it makes you is someone who holds an uninformed opinion, as opposed to some who holds an informed opinion.
I suspect people have no difficulty ascertaining who is informed in this discussion.
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This brings up two questions in my mind.

You say "most" crime is confined to that subculture. That's good. But what about the crime that isn't?

What are you going to do when those inhabiting that subculture discover that those who don't inhabit that subculture have nicer things and more money to steal?
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This brings up two questions in my mind.

You say "most" crime is confined to that subculture. That's good. But what about the crime that isn't?

What are you going to do when those inhabiting that subculture discover that those who don't inhabit that subculture have nicer things and more money to steal?
It just doesn't work that way. The junkies are pretty harmless tbh I don't see any on a day to day basis, but they are easy to detect because their appearance is...different from normal people and they have a strange speaking voice, something to do with damage caused by the drugs they use. They are not very aggressive and generally keep to their own.
The people with guns are the dealers. They shoot each other in territorial disputes and occasionally they might shoot a junkie. They don't really step outside that zone, that is why the public don't bother much about them.
I suppose if they did start to bother the rest of us, the police would be heavily involved and clean it up.
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It just doesn't work that way. The junkies are pretty harmless tbh I don't see any on a day to day basis, but they are easy to detect because their appearance is...different from normal people and they have a strange speaking voice, something to do with damage caused by the drugs they use. They are not very aggressive and generally keep to their own.
The people with guns are the dealers. They shoot each other in territorial disputes and occasionally they might shoot a junkie. They don't really step outside that zone, that is why the public don't bother much about them.
I suppose if they did start to bother the rest of us, the police would be heavily involved and clean it up.
Well, let's just say I hope you're right.

I don't think you are, though.

You've not commented on my explanation as to why I carry a gun. Would you care to do that?
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