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View Poll Results: Do You Regularly Carry A Firearm?
Yes 47 29.94%
No 110 70.06%
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Where are you, DC, California, or New Jersey?
Could also be New York, Illinois, or any military base in the United States.
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Wallaroo, while obviously rather ignorant of firearms, has not given me any indication he would be irresponsible with them. He obviously doesn't know jack about them, but he does seem to be willing to learn and I get the distinct impression he would take all reasonable precautions once he learned the facts.
Well that’s fine. In the mean time he is out there with one and able to use it while not knowing jack about them.

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Really all you have to make your judgment crisis, is your own irrational hatred of guns and those who own and carry them. That is hardly a sound basis for your conclusion.
Really when you ignore most of what I say you make yourself look like an ignorant gun nut.


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Either show where I ever said something like that, or stop making up stupid shit just to try to make your point...
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about whether or not someone is willing to take the responsibility to do whatever's necessary to protect him or herself.
I contest that whether or not they are willing to does not necessarily make them competent or safely able to. Four of you guys who support carrying weapons here all have different ideas on when to use them, what is dangerous , how you would use them etc.
That is what happens when you put this level of responsibility in the hands of the general public. You may be trained in the military and you think along those lines. Shoot to kill. Fucking effective but maybe unnecessary. The next guy thinks he should shoot to disable. May cost him his life but it may also stop anyone loosing theirs.

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At 20 feet, a man with a knife is as deadly, if not deadlier, than a man with a gun.
You on the other hand -
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would disagree with that...
So he would make a different decision to you if he saw or thought someone had a knife perhaps.


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the four in question in Steve's situation most certainly DID need killing.
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“The main intent in using deadly force is not to kill a person, but to stop them...”

Basically all that can be said for widespread gun proliferation and the law of the jungle you suggest is that it would lead to mayhem. It means not only do you need to worry about people who may mean you harm, you need to worry about people who overreact or escalate relatively harmless situations.
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Crisis, do you want to see us disarmed?
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My Gun is 8 inchs long, my weapon is intelligence...not that i have too much, but i do posess a rare quality and that is common sense. Judging by the remarks here i hear children looking for approval of what they know is morally wrong to start with.
Jesus said: beat your weapons into plowshares food and love will conquer where dominance will fail.
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My Gun is 8 inchs long, my weapon is intelligence...not that i have too much, but i do posess a rare quality and that is common sense. Judging by the remarks here i hear children looking for approval of what they know is morally wrong to start with.
Jesus said: beat your weapons into plowshares food and love will conquer where dominance will fail.
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My Gun is 8 inchs long,
Of course since this IS the Internet...
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Judging by the remarks here i hear children looking for approval of what they know is morally wrong to start with.
I agree. Forcing people to be disarmed because of your own irrational fears IS morally wrong.
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Jesus said: beat your weapons into plowshares food and love will conquer where dominance will fail.
He also said, let he who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.

Jesus was not the non-violent pacifist you want to pretend he was. With regards to self defense, he was a realist. Being the son of God, he also had certain abilities neither you nor I possess.

Regardless of all that, you might have noticed the US is not a theocracy.
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The proof is everywhere. Wallaroo is but one example. You are another.
I assume many will act irresponsibly in this as they will in most other things.
I don't carry a gun, and never have. I live in (I would guess) one of the cities in Denmark where the chances of getting attacked are smallest, so its a non-issue for me. If I lived in a violent city and needed to go out after dark, then I might consider carrying a 12 gauge 5 shot shotgun with the barrel and butt stock sawed off - just in case. I would also rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6, in fact I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 2 (rescuers into an ambulance after a severe asskicking).
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I don't carry a gun, and never have. I live in (I would guess) one of the cities in Denmark where the chances of getting attacked are smallest, so its a non-issue for me. If I lived in a violent city and needed to go out after dark, then I might consider carrying a 12 gauge 5 shot shotgun with the barrel and butt stock sawed off - just in case. I would also rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6, in fact I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 2 (rescuers into an ambulance after a severe asskicking).
While I agree with your choice of a short barrel shotgun on a tactical level, from a legal perspective, they're quite illegal.

I do believe there are a few legal shortened shotguns for sale, but you're still dealing with a weapon that is over a foot and a half long...
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Basically all that can be said for widespread gun proliferation and the law of the jungle you suggest is that it would lead to mayhem. It means not only do you need to worry about people who may mean you harm, you need to worry about people who overreact or escalate relatively harmless situations.
Thats pretty much what has been said by anti-gun nuts in every state which has relaxed its concealed carry laws, and yet over the past 20 years, it has not come to pass even once.

Seems yet again your fears are not grounded in reality.
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Where are you, DC, California, or New Jersey?
Hawaii. Draconian gun laws out here. You're allwoed to own 'em, but just to polish them it seems.
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While I agree with your choice of a short barrel shotgun on a tactical level, from a legal perspective, they're quite illegal.

I do believe there are a few legal shortened shotguns for sale, but you're still dealing with a weapon that is over a foot and a half long...
I would be breaking danish law anyway if I carried a loaded firearm in public, so the legality of the firearm is irrelevant. Handguns are highly illegal here in Denmark, so I would imagine that a legally purchased shotgun (with the mentioned motifications) is less illegal.

Is it possible to get a concealed carry permit for a short shotgun in the U.S? If so, the below one would be a good choice if its legal.

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One did charge. He was shot, as well. After the second assailant was hit, the other two took off.

Either way, they weren't going to stop approaching me, of that I'm sure...
How far away were they when you decided to draw, and how far away were they when you decided to shoot?

Did you give them a verbal warning first - like "freeze" or "stop or Ill shoot"?
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How far away were they when you decided to draw, and how far away were they when you decided to shoot?

Did you give them a verbal warning first - like "freeze" or "stop or Ill shoot"?
I saw the group of them from a good distance away. When we were about 50 feet away, I saw that one of them was holding what I thought was a baseball bat (it turned out to be a pipe). When we were about 30 feet away is when I saw the first knife, and when I reached for my gun. My wife and I stopped and they kept walking towards us. By the time they'd gotten to about 20 or 25 feet away, I saw that three of them were holding knives, and that's when I drew my gun.

One of them said "Here we go". I didn't know what he meant by that. I aimed at the closest one; and by "closest", I mean maybe a foot or so in front of the others, and said "STOP!". There was no question that I was aiming a gun at him.

His response was "Oh, I don't think so", and he took two more steps. I fired twice, hitting him in the chest with both rounds. At that point, he was probably 15 feet from me. I then aimed at the guy to his left; my right, and fired twice. I hit him once in the chest and once right below the collarbone.

When the second one fell, he was about 10 feet from me...
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Crisis, do you want to see us disarmed?
I don’t care. I live over here. But that’s not the question. I would hate to see the level of gun proliferation here that you have there and I would be very concerned if any member of the public could carry a pistol around. And there is nothing here to suggest that would benefit anyone.
I am putting forward what I consider a reasoned argument taking into account a wide range of circumstances and consequences that result from gun ownership. As I said I would carry one myself for self defence in the remote chance I may need it but I don’t feel that it would necessarily result in a better outcome than if I conducted myself as I have for the past 40 years. And the reality is I can’t have one and everyone else not. And it is everyone else that is the concern. Not that they may ever cause me harm but that they will cause themselves and others harm for the limited (in my opinion) benefit they receive. Maybe shit in the U.S. is so bad that you need to be armed to walk the streets. If so I hope that there is some hope for improvement in sight that may change things. I still think ultimately having the general public walking the streets with guns in there pockets is more dangerous than it is good.

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I don't carry a gun, and never have. I live in (I would guess) one of the cities in Denmark where the chances of getting attacked are smallest, so its a non-issue for me. If I lived in a violent city and needed to go out after dark, then I might consider carrying a 12 gauge 5 shot shotgun with the barrel and butt stock sawed off - just in case.
Fair enough. But your mentality will no doubt belong to others. It is more my point than you in particular.


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I would also rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6, in fact I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 2 (rescuers into an ambulance after a severe asskicking).
Have a care when quoting gun nut cliché s. It does not make one sound too bright.


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Thats pretty much what has been said by anti-gun nuts in every state which has relaxed its concealed carry laws, and yet over the past 20 years, it has not come to pass even once.

Seems yet again your fears are not grounded in reality.
Gwinnett police investigate road rage shooting
Gwinnett police are investigating a road rage shooting that left a man injured Thursday evening near Stone Mountain.
Robert Lankford II, 34, of Stone Mountain, told police he was traveling south on Rockbridge Road when the driver of a bronze pickup truck in front of him began slamming on the brakes, said Cpl. Illana Spellman, spokeswoman for the Gwinnett County Police Department.
Lankford, firing one gunshot as he yelled out "long-haired hippie!" a police report said. Lankford has long hair, according to the report.
The bullet struck Lankford in the torso, just below his rib cage, and exited his lower back.
The driver of the pickup truck sped away.
Lankford was transported to Gwinnett Medical Center, where he is expected to be released soon, Spellman said.
The driver of the pickup truck is described as a heavyset older white male with grey hair wearing a blue shirt.

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