I like your style...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

I believe that's the same congregation that recently booted out its male leader for solicitation of male prostitutes and purchasing crank. With a 12,000 member congregation and such sterling former leadership examples there have to be more who could potentially cross the line, perhaps in a violent manner.

And, if that happens, the congregation can be secure knowing that there's someone with a gun to handle the problem...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

I grew up in an extended family of "Irish Law enforcement Officers" and the sight of guns within our family was common as was an understanding by osmosis of "bad folks" and where they may be found in abundance. ("Innocence lost")! I also beacame aware of such things (in the home) as blackjacks, sapps, brass knuckles and clubs used for enforcement purposes or taken from the bad guys. With one exception I never touched these devices mostly in fear of the quick physicaql punishment that would be forthcomming.

After I married my father strongly suggested I never keep a gun in the house primarily because I understood he felt one day my wife might shoot me with it. (related I guess to his familiarity with this event) Today I have four weapons in the house none so far used to cause me harm

There have been several times when I armed myself because of threats but did not have to fire them.

Some general observations about bad guys and where they may be found.
It is obvious for several reasons priests and youth ministers must be closely examined for homosexual or pedofile tendencies.

Scout Masters, Coaches and any of the usually most respected and above suspicion individuals who are closely in touch with children must be carefully selected as would be any of those adults having an UNUSUAL interest in kids. .

During my formative years the Scout Master and assistant Scout Master were arrested for crimes against children.

The school Policeman was also arrested and sent to prison on the same charges.

A female gym teacher was investigated in respect to possible sex with male students and left the school.

In high school the Band Director was an overt Homosexual (never the less fondly treated by the students) and he used to party with some of those in his class during involving wild drinking bouts. (He later committed suicide by leaping from a hotel window.

Back to guns: As one grows older (and a target for holdups) and loses the ability to defend ones self it is comforting to bear and know how to use the weapon. Until recently one could not carry without a license except when traveling. Today it is easy to obtain such license and is INO a deterent to assults.

When I traveled on business I always "carried" and slept in motels with it handy. On one occasion in Houston I had to threaten to fire thriough my hotel door (because it was being broken into) to stop the incurson.

The right to bear arms is a direct constitutional (without question) law in Texas. IMO a good one !

Secure. Yeah that would be it.

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So, crisis, do you think the congregation in the Colorado shooting was better off because there was a lawfully armed civilian present, or not?

Matt

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Apparently he shot himself so no.
“THE man who killed four people at a church and a missionary training centre in Colorado died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, police said yesterday.”

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...012748,00.html

Sorry to ruin the wank fest!

However I did notice that it was a religious lunatic with the gun who unloaded on him.

Volunteer security guard Jeanne Assam, who shot Murray after he entered the church, said her hand was guided by God.

Hopefully god doesn’t tell her to do anything else.

Great stuff happening over there guys! Long live that second amendment!

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It would certainly seem in this case that the presence of a gun in the hands of a private citizen saved the lives of many.

I know you're only going to focus on the actions of the criminal and say something insipid like "If guns were illegal he wouldn't have had them". This, of course, ignores the fact that they were already illegal for him to possess and murder has been illegal since the dawn of civilization.

Can you suggest a single law which could exist which would prevent something like this from happening and which would not infringe upon the rights of everyone else?

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Ahh, so now someone who believes in God is a religious lunatic. Got it.

You have anything substantial to offer, or does your entire position consist of "Guns are bad, mmkay? If you don't agree with me, you're a crazy wanker!"

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Um, crisis, you missed the fact that although he fired the fatal shot himself, he did so after he was down because the armed civilian shot him and stopped the attack.

From the article you quoted, but apparently didn't read:

Again, crisis, do you think the people in the church were better off because there was a lawfully armed civilian present, or not?

Matt

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I was referrring to the incident you mentioned in California, which I saw a documentary about recently. I was quite impressed by the robbers body armor, which withstanded dusins of shots from the police. I was less impressed by the robbers lousy shooting skills, as they fired more than 1100 rounds without killing one single person.

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If you're talking about the North Hollywood shootout, its not surprising their body armor withstood shots from handguns.

Rifles are a different matter...

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Come on Matt - you didn't expect objectivity and attention to facts did you?

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I believe the police also shot at them with shotguns and M16s at some point, but without any luck.

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Shotguns are pretty worthless at long range.

Eventually they did use AR-15's (not M16's) and as I remember, did manage to ultimately take them down.

The North Hollywood shootout is actually a good example of what happens in a real gunfight under stress. People do not typically hit what they're aiming at in those situations.

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