Hey - back off - I'm sure she taught him right. Kids don't always listen - especially when they're in their early 20's

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

As I said, it was part of the "you loot, we shoot" look. Not only did I teach him firearm safety, he also took a hunter safety course when he got his first hunting license. Had he not known for certain that the guns were unloaded, he wouldn't have played with them in this fashion.

And please refrain from calling my son an "idiot". If you check the angle of his arm and the angle of the gun you'll see that it was not pointed at his head. I understand that photos can sometimes be deceiving unless you pay attention to the details.

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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, What a Ride!"

LOL Isn't that the truth!!!!

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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, What a Ride!"

They sure don't. When my friend Chris was 20, he was holding a gun he had personally unloaded. I am sure that Lance would have said something about the fact that there could still be a round in the chamber that was loaded from the magazine unitentionally. Unfortunately, Lance was holding his throat where the 9mm projectile had entered and blown apart his carotid artery. He was in no position to point fingers. Chris felt pretty bad so while some had left to go call an ambulance Chris checked to see if the gun still worked with the magazine in place by pointing at his head. It worked. We buried them both on the same day at the same place. Still got charged double. If you don't want to pay double, always treat every firearm as though it were loaded and never point it at anything (or anyone) you don't intend to shoot.

1) Plenty of people who 'knew for certain' that their gun was unloaded, have accidentally killed someone. Tragic accidents that could have been avoided by following the most basic, simple tenent of gun safety.

Perhaps you should teach your son that guns are not toys to play with?

2) I didn't call your son an idiot. Please refrain from lying outright or clouding the issue of your son's complete lack of understanding of basic gun safety. What I said was, "another rule might be, don't point a gun at your head, idiot" - it's understandable how you might construe that as directed at your son, given his behavior in the picture...

Your defense of his irresponsible behavior and excuses for poor judgement on his part help explain why he doesn't understand or practice basic gun safety.

3) The picture is a damning example of poor judgement on his part. The poor judgement on your part was posting it for the whole world to see.

Responsible gun owners have enough trouble listening to all the crap about how crazy and irresponsible 'gun nuts' are - without you posting an image worthy of a anti-gun campaign poster that plays right into their argument against private gun ownership.

If you can't see that or understand this - your blindness is simply a by-product of your clear bias because of the subject being your foolish son's antics.

I guess that acorn didn't fall too far from the tree, since you clearly condone his irresponsible behavior...

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1)My son is very responsible and we both knew the guns weren't loaded. Sorry if other people have died by not knowing their guns were loaded but neither I, nor my son, are that stupid.

2)First of all, don't accuse me of "lying"...it's against forum rules. Second of all, you did not say "another rule might be, don't point a gun at your head, idiot". You said, 3)You will also refrain from calling my son foolish. If you had used your eyes to begin with, you would have seen that the gun was not pointed at his head. As for having his finger on the trigger of an unloaded gun, sorry if you can't comprehend the message being conveyed.

What my son did was definitely against the rules I taught him but I also know that it's not something he does on a regular basis when he handles a gun. He posed for a photo during a hurricane to show that he was ready to shoot anyone that tried to loot our home. Get over it...I did.

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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, What a Ride!"

That is horrible! I'm so sorry that you lost your friends so needlessly but it's quite obvious that they didn't know their weapon. One thing I've always done is keep careful track of how many rounds I've loaded and make sure I unload the same amount. I have had rounds in the chamber before so I make sure I check that, too, even if I've emptied the correct amount. Better safe than sorry.

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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, What a Ride!"

Please convey to them, in your best Drill Sergeant voice:

"KEEP YOUR BOOGER HOOK OFF THE BLANKETY-BLANKING BANG SWITCH UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ALIGNED ON A VALID TARGET"

This really is not a rule that should ever - EVER - be violated, even with a firearm you know to be unloaded.

(Taking off RO hat now).

Matt

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That's MILD compared to what I actually said to them! Unfortunately, the woman taking the picture hasn't got a clue as to how to even use a gun so she didn't say anything to the guys when she took it. Had I been there, for effect or not, the fingers wouldn't have been on the triggers!

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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, What a Ride!"

Oh joy! It's very reassuring that your son only 'occasionally' ignores every single basic rule of gun safety. We didn't even cover the stupidity of taking someone's word that a gun was unloaded.

You posted; "I had forgotten though that I had personally unloaded my pistol before giving it to him." - in defense of his careless, foolish behavior!

It's inconceivable that anyone can claim to practice gun safety while at the same time admitting:

1. Their kid was 'playing' with guns. (your own words)
2. Putting your finger in the trigger guard was okay, this one time. (your own words)
3. The holder of the gun hadn't verified it was empty himself. (your own words)
4. Not being present when your gun was being 'played' with. (your own words)

Don't like being critizised for not practising what you say you preach? Don't like having your son called foolish for foolish behavior?



Don't post a pic of two people behaving foolishly with guns and then laugh about it.

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ps - You get over it, sugah...

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1) Two legal adults were holding guns while posing for a picture. Don't like it? Don't look.
2) Please tell the truth when you post something about me. Nowhere did I say that I surely don't appreciate you stating that I did.
3) Again, if you can't tell the truth, then don't say anything. For the record, you have absolutely no idea if my son checked the weapons but also for the record, though I unloaded it before giving it to him, he also checked both my .357 and the 22.
4) And no, I wasn't present and why should I be? He's 27 years old, well past the age of needing me to wipe his nose.

Oh and PS---

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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, What a Ride!"

Alright you two, do I have to turn this thread around?

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Sorry, SIR!!!!

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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, What a Ride!"

I love the stockpile of supplies in the background...

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LOL Thank God we didn't need them. We cooked steaks at my house on the grill but our electricity was only out for a little over 24 hours. At least we all have our stockpiles left for Ike!!!

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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, What a Ride!"