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View Poll Results: Which better describes you
I am a gun owner and was raised in household where one or more family members were gun owners. 52 67.53%
I am a gun owner, but was raised in a household where there were no gun owners. 25 32.47%
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Crisis,

Don't let these people get to you.

I have been accused of being a liberal many times, for attacking Bush policies. Of course when Clinton was president, I was accused of being a right wing conservative, funny how that works.

It is sad how anxious most people are to label others.
I have been called plenty. That shit never bothers me. But those comments are woefully ignorant and uniformed. Just like when precious Yanks whine about people being anti American. FFS I am heavily critical about what our country has done. I just don’t see nationalism as a good thing nor do I see blind adherence to any form of political dogma. And for Hound Dog to claim liberals make “decisions of the heart and not the head” is priceless.
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Firstly show where and how I demonstrated my “anti American mouth”
Secondly if you could drag your head out of your insular arse you may see that this site contains many different areas. Not only those pertaining to the U.S.
Thirdly I am not so blinkered as to have to restrict myself to talking to those who only share my opinion. I am equally interested in those who don’t. Its called having an open mind.

So why do you post on gun rights threads? You've never shown anything approaching an open mind on that subject.
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So why do you post on gun rights threads? You've never shown anything approaching an open mind on that subject.
Why does anyone? Because they have an opinion.
Where have I exhibited a closed mind?
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Why does anyone? Because they have an opinion.
Where have I exhibited a closed mind?
Show me one post where you've said private gun ownership is beneficial.
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Show me one post where you've said private gun ownership is beneficial.
Let’s see. You make a false accusation about me and I have to disprove your allegation by illustrating where I said something I never claimed to?
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Let’s see. You make a false accusation about me and I have to disprove your allegation by illustrating where I said something I never claimed to?

No, you don’t need to do anything; unless you want to illustrate how I’ve made some kind of “false accusation”.
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No, you don’t need to do anything; unless you want to illustrate how I’ve made some kind of “false accusation”.
Your initial charge was that I've “never shown anything approaching an open mind on that subject.” (gun rights)

I said I post on them because I have an opinion,n not because I have anything positive to say about private gun ownership. That doesn’t mean I haven’t got an open mind. Just that I have not seen anything presented by pro gunners to influence my opinion that way.
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Your initial charge was that I've “never shown anything approaching an open mind on that subject.” (gun rights)

I said I post on them because I have an opinion,n not because I have anything positive to say about private gun ownership. That doesn’t mean I haven’t got an open mind. Just that I have not seen anything presented by pro gunners to influence my opinion that way.


Oh, I see; you’re so open-minded about gun rights that you’ll dismiss out of hand any argument that doesn’t support your preconceived beliefs. I didn’t get that before. Thanx for clearing that up.
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If you do not understand the importance of private gun ownership, then you do not understand individual liberty, or you do not believe in individual liberty.

In my opinion, if you do not support individual liberty, then you do not deserve liberty, or to be an American.

Just my opinion.
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If you do not understand the importance of private gun ownership, then you do not understand individual liberty, or you do not believe in individual liberty.

In my opinion, if you do not support individual liberty, then you do not deserve liberty, or to be an American.

Just my opinion.
He's not American, he's Australian.

So I've got to put up with him, not you.

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crisis, you "talk" far too much to "say" so little, which is a liberal trait. The fact that you are a foreigner that preaches "Americans fail to comprehend much of the rest of the world" tells me that you don't like America very much. Well let THIS American tell YOU something... we don't really give a rat's a$$ what you like. Try asking your grandparents what your sorry life would have been like if Japan had rolled over Aussieland back then, since you profess to have an "open mind". Liberal foreigners that insist on bashing America day in & day out are too stupid to pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the sole.

Also the fact that you have NOT served in YOUR country's military explains a lot. That fact tells me (and those like me) that you lack the "tools" to have a VALID opinion regarding anything to do with the military, especially the U.S. military. In my opinion, anybody that forms an opinion without a basis to support that opinion is a waste of time.

End of discussion.
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If you do not understand the importance of private gun ownership, then you do not understand individual liberty, or you do not believe in individual liberty.

In my opinion, if you do not support individual liberty, then you do not deserve liberty, or to be an American.

Just my opinion.
So... you support liberty, but feel empowered to deprive people of theirs when they disagree with you?

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crisis, you "talk" far too much to "say" so little, which is a liberal trait.


Irony below:

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The fact that you are a foreigner that preaches "Americans fail to comprehend much of the rest of the world" tells me that you don't like America very much. Well let THIS American tell YOU something... we don't really give a rat's a$$ what you like. Try asking your grandparents what your sorry life would have been like if Japan had rolled over Aussieland back then, since you profess to have an "open mind". Liberal foreigners that insist on bashing America day in & day out are too stupid to pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the sole.

Also the fact that you have NOT served in YOUR country's military explains a lot. That fact tells me (and those like me) that you lack the "tools" to have a VALID opinion regarding anything to do with the military, especially the U.S. military. In my opinion, anybody that forms an opinion without a basis to support that opinion is a waste of time.

End of discussion.
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Oh, I see; you’re so open-minded about gun rights that you’ll dismiss out of hand any argument that doesn’t support your preconceived beliefs. I didn’t get that before. Thanx for clearing that up.
No arguments are dismissed out of hand. Do you get that?

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If you do not understand the importance of private gun ownership, then you do not understand individual liberty, or you do not believe in individual liberty.
Your problem is you can’t or won’t disseminate between the two. Private gun ownership is not essential to liberty. It may be viewed as a method of maintaining it to some but not to most of the world. That kind of talk is just romantic emotional pro gun rhetoric.


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Yeah, I just love these kinda folk.
What?

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crisis, you "talk" far too much to "say" so little, which is a liberal trait.


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The fact that you are a foreigner that preaches "Americans fail to comprehend much of the rest of the world" tells me that you don't like America very much.
I said “some insular Americans”. At least quote me accurately when misconstruing what I say. That means I believe a portion of the Americans who are insular. I have no way of knowing exactly how many are but I would not expect that to be a majority therefore upon that basis alone I have no reason not to “like America very much.” I haven’t visited your country so I can’t make a judgement but I can’t see why I wouldn’t like it. As for the people I believe people are basically the same expect for some individuals the world over so I can’t see why I would not like them in general. Certainly the Americans I have met personally have all been nice people.
It would be nice if you could refrain from hysterically jumping to paranoid conclusions.

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Well let THIS American tell YOU something... we don't really give a rat's a$$ what you like.
Yes we know. Your neo con administration seems to have the same attitude toward the rest of the world.

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Try asking your grandparents what your sorry life would have been like if Japan had rolled over Aussieland back then, since you profess to have an "open mind".
I am suitably versed in the history of the war in the pacific. But the war was not won by the U.S. alone.

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Liberal foreigners that insist on bashing America day in & day out are too stupid to pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the sole.
Never bashed.

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Also the fact that you have NOT served in YOUR country's military explains a lot. That fact tells me (and those like me) that you lack the "tools" to have a VALID opinion regarding anything to do with the military, especially the U.S. military. In my opinion, anybody that forms an opinion without a basis to support that opinion is a waste of time.
While there is much about military service I have no first hand experience with your notion that one must have served to be able to form a balanced opinion is flawed on many levels. However you seem to form your opinions from within the boundaries of your own bigoted and closed mind (Liberal foreigners). As I find little point engaging in abusing someone I do not know from across the other side of the world I will fall into line with your last request.

End of discussion.
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No arguments are dismissed out of hand. Do you get that?


Certainly not from any of your posts, how could I?
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