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Old 08-06-2007
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Stupidity + firearm --> dead kid

Cop shoots at snake, kills boy, 5 - CNN.com





Horrible.

It's like the street signs you see with bullet holes in them. Don't people realize that the bullets have to come down somewhere?

Especially a police officer. He should have known better.
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Re: Stupidity + firearm --> dead kid

My God! Doesn't that town have an animal control department that could have handled the snake? I definitely feel sorry for the family for obvious reasons but I also feel sorry for the officer that fired the gun. It's safe to assume that he didn't mean to kill the child but it'll be on his conscious for the rest of his life. I wouldn't be surprised if he quit the force and moved away.
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Re: Stupidity + firearm --> dead kid

Gee, it was an accident, these things happen.

If the snake would have bit the kid and the kid would have died of poisoning people would have complained no-one did enough to kill the snake.

Its sad, but just an accident these things happen.
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Re: Stupidity + firearm --> dead kid

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If the snake would have bit the kid and the kid would have died of poisoning people would have complained no-one did enough to kill the snake.
Id like to see a snake bite someone from 200y distance
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Re: Stupidity + firearm --> dead kid

How fast do snakes travel?

If nothing had been done to the snake it would have just gone off and at some point or another would have been close enough to someone to strike.
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Gee, it was an accident, these things happen.
These things happen????

WTF

One of the first rules of shooting is that you check behind your target to see where your bullets will land. This is clearly negligence, especially on the part of a trained police officer.


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If the snake would have bit the kid and the kid would have died of poisoning people would have complained no-one did enough to kill the snake.

Its sad, but just an accident these things happen.
There's no evidence that the snake was poisonous. It was "hissing." I don't know of a single poisonous snake that lives in Oklahoma that hisses. Do you?

Snakes can't bite things that are 600 feet away.

Poisonous snakes don't generally bite without being provoked. They especially don't bite kids who are 2 football fields away, in the middle of a lake, in a boat.


You'll note that this isn't an attack on guns.
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How fast do snakes travel?

If nothing had been done to the snake it would have just gone off and at some point or another would have been close enough to someone to strike.
So, all snakes should be killed on sight? Going to be a lot of shooting going on....
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So, all snakes should be killed on sight? Going to be a lot of shooting going on....
No of course not but this guy made a judgement call at the time to shoot at this one. He's a police officer like you said and will have done this for the public safety aspect. It went wrong and that's sad but i'm sure he did what he did with his best intentions, it just didn't go as he would have hoped or planned.
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These things happen????

WTF

One of the first rules of shooting is that you check behind your target to see where your bullets will land. This is clearly negligence, especially on the part of a trained police officer.
An undercover officer in FL was shot dead yet i'm sure he's trained in how to get out of situations in which his life is in danger, but sometimes things just go horribly wrong, nothing can be done afterwards. I heard both of these reports one after another today morning, this just sounds like a horrible tragedy.


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There's no evidence that the snake was poisonous. It was "hissing." I don't know of a single poisonous snake that lives in Oklahoma that hisses. Do you?
Well i assume the officer had insight on the nature of the snake, which may be what prompted him to act and shoot.

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Snakes can't bite things that are 600 feet away.
A minute ago it was 200, anyway it was lose and even if it was far away if it hadn't been controlled or killed it would have eventually gotten lose enough to strike someone.

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Poisonous snakes don't generally bite without being provoked. They especially don't bite kids who are 2 football fields away, in the middle of a lake, in a boat.
Like i said eventually it may well have been close enough to strike and if dangerous needed to be dealt with. The officer may have thought that it was or had been provoked to the state it was ready to attack.

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You'll note that this isn't an attack on guns.
No not at all but i just think this was a mistake and nothing more, an error.
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Re: Stupidity + firearm --> dead kid

200 yards = 600 feet
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Re: Stupidity + firearm --> dead kid

From the late, great Col. Cooper:

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RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

Know what it is, what is in line with it, and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything you have not positively identified. Be aware of your surroundings, whether on the range or in a fight. Do not assume anything. Know what you are doing.
Here we have a failure to obey rule 4 leading to a fatality.

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200 yards = 600 feet
Sorry i thought both read yards.
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Re: Stupidity + firearm --> dead kid

Don't cops carry Shotguns in their cars? Why didn't he us it, then the kid would not have been shot. Sounds to me like it was just piss poor judgment on the part of the cop and if nothing else he should be charged with neglegent homicide and removed from the Police Force.
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An undercover officer in FL was shot dead yet i'm sure he's trained in how to get out of situations in which his life is in danger, but sometimes things just go horribly wrong, nothing can be done afterwards. I heard both of these reports one after another today morning, this just sounds like a horrible tragedy.
This was a horrible fuckup by a supposed professional who should have known better. Had this been Joe Citizen, you, and others, would be calling for his head.
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Well i assume the officer had insight on the nature of the snake, which may be what prompted him to act and shoot.
Thats an hell of an assumption. Even if he DID, the proper thing to do was to leave it the fuck alone. Snakes pretty much do NOT bother people as long as you don't bother them. Deciding to shoot at a freaking tree snake which is 200 yards away from anyone is retarded.
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A minute ago it was 200, anyway it was lose and even if it was far away if it hadn't been controlled or killed it would have eventually gotten lose enough to strike someone.
HELLO! Its a goddamn SNAKE! They live in the wild! What do you mean "gotten loose enough"? For pete's sake son, when you go out amongst nature, you should be aware that some of nature might want to eat you.
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Like i said eventually it may well have been close enough to strike and if dangerous needed to be dealt with.
Yeah, and it may well not have been too. Leaving it alone or calling animal control may have been the better solution. For point of reference, for those who are unfamiliar with OK geography, Noble, while a small town, is on the outskirts of Norman, which is on the outskirts of OKC. It isnt exactly middle-of-nowhere rural.
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The officer may have thought that it was or had been provoked to the state it was ready to attack.
Who gives a shit what his reasoning is? Bottom line is he didnt pay attention to how he was using a deadly weapon and a kid died. The cop should be fired, arrested, prosecuted, incarcerated, and the information that he killed a kid should be leaked into general population.
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No not at all but i just think this was a mistake and nothing more, an error.
And since it was an error by someone with a badge, that means nothing happens? Bullshit - the same thing should happen to him that would happen to Joe Citizen.
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No of course not but this guy made a judgement call at the time to shoot at this one. He's a police officer like you said and will have done this for the public safety aspect. It went wrong and that's sad but i'm sure he did what he did with his best intentions, it just didn't go as he would have hoped or planned.
On the contrary, whilst his intentions I'm sure were good, his awareness of public safety was not. Nor were his professional skills on display. If a person who I am assuming was very well trained in fire arm use chooses to act impulsively and not spend a moment or two (which is all it would have taken to check his surroundings etc) to properly evaluate the situation and make a professional and informed judgement, then maybe - just maybe - this young kid would still be alive.
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