Well, no don't be defeatist

I think that can be reversed! USA just needs a well planned foreign policy!

Under Hussein, Iraq didn't have any terrorist, now Iraq is full of non-Iraqis terrorists ready to kill US soldiers, the more they heard about Iraq war, the more they are likely to become activist

Let's say that Iraq war is terrible ads for US image.

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That article is dumb. 9/11 should have prompted America to think more deeply about the world, instead it just made Americans into better America-cheerleaders. "We're the greatest in the world" spouted everywhere by people who've never been anywhere.

One of the mistakes of the article is the cloudiness in which it speaks of terrorists using Islam to cover their sins. Not exactly. They use their religion to defend why they must attack a much larger nation who they feel is meddling in their countries affairs. It's not because of our freedoms, it's not because of anything else other than the fact that we're over there, we've made some of these people into the evil tyrants that they are, our hands aren't clean. Innocent people never deserve to die for government policy mistakes, but it should at least be clear on how and why they "hate us".

Oh by no means am i a defeatist i am all for continuing to kill the vermin terrorists over there and do it till they get tired of it

My point was it is more than us becoming isolationists....that still will not appease these pieces of shit....we would have to totally change our lifestyle and become a religious state to appease these fucks

wont happen , cant happen, thus regardless if we withdraw to here or not they will still hate, they will still kill, and they will still attack us abroad and here eventually

killing all the vermin is the actual approach of the Bush admin. and this is the obvious wrong approach when we look at Iraq.

Isolationist? of course not, that wouldn't be possible anyway, USA has to many interests abroad.

change your lifestyle? who talked about this? of course not

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Under Saddam, Saddam was the terrorist.
Many mass graves to prove it.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

Hmmm...

Interesting to see that bumpersticker mentality is alive and well. How in the world can anyone get through to someone that actually buys into such nonsense?

Read Osama Bin Hidin's "letter to America" and see what his group "calls us to do".

Bin Hidin' is very specific about the changes we "must" make to our lifestyle - i.e. adopt Sharia, convert to Islam, etc. It's right there, straight from the horse's ass.

Matt

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Well, you're off to a great start with the insults and condescension....

Possibly not the best path to "get through" to someone, though.

Matt

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No doubt you can provide a reason to believe that if we acceded to the terrorists' demands by removing all troops from the mideast (including those in bahrain, UAE, Saudi Arabia and Qatar - all invited by those governments) and removing all support and diplomatic recognition for Israel and for any arab governments the terrorists don't like then they will leave us alone? And while you're explaining that maybe you can explain how doing so will affect the supply of oil our economy runs on. Oh and one more thing. How do we explain this to the Iraqis and Afghanis who will be executed by the terrorists when we leave for the crime of having participated in the democratically elected governments there?

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A nation of slaves is always prepared to applaud the clemency of their master who, in the abuse of absolute power, does not proceed to the utmost extremes of injustice and oppression.
Edward Gibbon

Yes, a terrible dictator, didn't say the opposite

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Lol, I know what's Ben Laden dreams... but who cares about what is he dreaming? He's just crazy, just take seriously the threat, the rest goes straight to the garbage.

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Right after you you can provide a reason to believe that if we do not acceed to the terrorists' demands by keeping all troops in the mideast (including those in bahrain, UAE, Saudi Arabia and Qatar - all invited by those governments) and removing all support and diplomatic recognition for Israel and for any arab governments the terrorists don't like then they will leave us alone? And while you're explaining that maybe you can explain how converting to alternative renewable energy sources will affect the energy our economy runs on. Oh and one more thing. How do we explain this to the Iraqis and Afghanis who are being executed by the terrorists as we stay and sacrifice our troops and national treasure for the crime of having participated in the democratically elected governments there?

See friend, I can play your silly game too. It's fun beating up strawmen, isn't it?

Can't remember the original author, but he stated any media mogul would castrate himself on national television if an advertiser would buy the demanded amount of advertising.

the terrorist talked about , the terroirst, islamofacists want us to change, we are not just the big satin cause we occupied lebanon, and saudi arabia we are the big satin cause our women have rights, and dont have to cover their whole body and have to shut their mouths and eat in seperate rooms, we are the big satin cause people do not have to believe in god, or worship anything if they choose to


the approach may not work to you, but the more we kill the less of them are out there and in the end that is good to go to me

You are the one who gave rak a hard time for claiming that the terrorists will continue to try to kill us even if we withdraw. So you are the one who needs to back that up by providing the explanation I asked for. So no you are not playing the game at all and I have used no strawmen.

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A nation of slaves is always prepared to applaud the clemency of their master who, in the abuse of absolute power, does not proceed to the utmost extremes of injustice and oppression.
Edward Gibbon