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Another 9/11 good for America?

Stu Bykofsky | To save America, we need another 9/11 | Daily News | 08/09/2007

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ONE MONTH from The Anniversary, I'm thinking another 9/11 would help America.

It is not Bush and it is not Hillary and it is not Daily Kos or Bill O'Reilly or Giuliani or Barack. It is global terrorists who use Islam to justify their hideous sins, including blowing up women and children.

Because we have mislaid 9/11, we have endless sideshow squabbles about whether the surge is working, if we are "safer" now, whether the FBI should listen in on foreign phone calls, whether cops should detain odd-acting "flying imams," whether those plotting alleged attacks on Fort Dix or Kennedy airport are serious threats or amateur bumblers. We bicker over the trees while the forest is ablaze.
The article makes some valid arguments and seems not to put any blame on one side or the other. Should we remember and rethink what is important to us or will this just start more partisain bickering?
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The article makes some valid arguments and seems not to put any blame on one side or the other. Should we remember and rethink what is important to us or will this just start more partisain bickering?
Obviously, Bush has shown us that irrational paranoia, when amplified by power-hungry officials and partisan news agencies, is the key to a more authoritarian America. I'm not sure why that would be a good thing, though.
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Obviously, Bush has shown us that irrational paranoia, when amplified by power-hungry officials and partisan news agencies, is the key to a more authoritarian America. I'm not sure why that would be a good thing, though.
It seems you missed the point of the article. But if you are suggesting the possiblity of another attack on the US is "irrational paranoia" you are not paying attention are you?
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Re: Another 9/11 good for America?

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Stu Bykofsky | To save America, we need another 9/11 | Daily News | 08/09/2007



The article makes some valid arguments and seems not to put any blame on one side or the other. Should we remember and rethink what is important to us or will this just start more partisain bickering?

Wait..."to save America" from what, precisely?
See, I would have thought he meant "save America from terrorists", but I don't think it makes any sense to say that we need another terrorist attack to save us from another terrorist attack.
Just a thought.
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It seems you missed the point of the article. But if you are suggesting the possiblity of another attack on the US is "irrational paranoia" you are not paying attention are you?
Well, I'm not sure if Bloomberg is a credible source, but I heard somewhere on this forum that you have a lesser chance of getting attacked by a terrorist than you do getting struck by lightning.

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Re: Another 9/11 good for America?

The fatal flaw in this article is the underlying assumption that the US government (Dem or GOP) is really all that competent to begin with -- another 9/11 would only serve to expose that harsh reality unfortunately... so no, we really don't need another 9/11 nor do I hope that we ever have another one.
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Re: Another 9/11 good for America?

anyone who thinks another 9/11 is good for america

is off their rocker IMO
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anyone who thinks another 9/11 is good for america

is off their rocker IMO
I would say it's bad, and not just because people will get killed.
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Wait..."to save America" from what, precisely?
See, I would have thought he meant "save America from terrorists", but I don't think it makes any sense to say that we need another terrorist attack to save us from another terrorist attack.
Just a thought.


The author is hoping that if there is another 9/11 type attack, we’ll focus on a common enemy, rather than beating each other up with partisan bickering.
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The author is hoping that if there is another 9/11 type attack, we’ll focus on a common enemy, rather than beating each other up with partisan bickering.
The thing is, as much as a few Islamic extremists might hate us, they are doing less harm to us than Bush is. Some people recommend beating up those who hate us more, not those who harm us more.
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Re: Another 9/11 good for America?

I dont think its americans that need to wake up its the media. They would report live a secret raid on osama bin laden for ratings.

New York times has done just that what 3 or 4 times since 9 11.

We need to make some examples of those that report things of national security in time of war etc (yes i know we are not technically at war) But under that premise.

I do not want to silence the media. Just some logical discression.
Report the abuses they find etc in human rights, but By gosh not methods of covert ops, money tracking, raids in progress, etc...

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I dont think its americans that need to wake up its the media. They would report live a secret raid on osama bin laden for ratings.

New York times has done just that what 3 or 4 times since 9 11.

We need to make some examples of those that report things of national security in time of war etc (yes i know we are not technically at war) But under that premise.

I do not want to silence the media. Just some logical discression.
Report the abuses they find etc in human rights, but By gosh not methods of covert ops, money tracking, raids in progress, etc...

Come on already.



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I agree whole heartedley yes there is freedom of the press but if they meet the seals on the beach....I think we have a problem and if they are constantley downing everything all the time cause they hate bush they are surley doing the enemies bidding in all of this
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Re: Another 9/11 good for America?

1/ the killing of innocent people is BAD (apparently doesn't seem obvious for everyone)

2/ It will oppose even more US vs Islamic world... the result will be another war, and therefor more Muslim people to hate US, and therefor more willing to harm US (becoming terrorists)

See the useless Iraq war...
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1/ the killing of innocent people is BAD (apparently doesn't seem obvious for everyone)

2/ It will oppose even more US vs Islamic world... the result will be another war, and therefor more Muslim people to hate US, and therefor more willing to harm US (becoming terrorists)

See the useless Iraq war...
I disagree on that, regardless of we fight or stay home they will hate us , it has as much to do with the way we live , how we live, as our foriegn policy
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Re: Another 9/11 good for America?

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I dont think its americans that need to wake up its the media. They would report live a secret raid on osama bin laden for ratings.

New York times has done just that what 3 or 4 times since 9 11.
Oh really? Examples, with sources, please.

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We need to make some examples of those that report things of national security in time of war etc.

"Make examples", you say? How? By what standards?


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(yes i know we are not technically at war) But under that premise.
Yeah, I know those GD "technicalities" like following the "GD piece of paper" known as The Constitution of the United States of America. How very inconvenent, eh?

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I do not want to silence the media. Just some logical discression.
Report the abuses they find etc in human rights,...
Ahhh, not "silence the media," just that part which doesn't please you, eh?

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but By gosh not methods of covert ops, money tracking, raids in progress, etc...
Oh really? Examples, with sources, please.


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Come on already.
Thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather not travel the road to a dictatorship.

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No shit? Guess you'd better have a few words with the folks that own the vast majority of media outlets and let them know that their "news divisions" should serve a higher purpose than being just another way to makes profits.
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