My guess would be because that would basically make for open borders, which are a bad idea in a post 9/11 world.

I think it's sad that the son had to lose his mother but let's be honest she broke the law. She had to know that it was a possibility that she would get caught and deported but she agreed to take that chance. Ultimately, no one is to blame but herself.

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Interesting.

Crossing the border is maybe a misdemeanor. Does it justfy the damage that this will likely cause to this American Citizen?

Or, do we not care about Americans any more?

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And the borders arent open now? Easy legal immigration would reduce the amount of illegals to a very small amount so the governement would know who is within the borders.

To be honest, it sounds like you are trying to blame me for the splitting up of the family and that isn't the case. As I said, she was the one who chose to come here illegally. She must have known the potential consequences. She is the one to blame. It is sad that the family has to suffer from her mistakes but they are hers. If she wants to apply for citizenship now and then come in the legal way to be with her son I will gladly support her. If she just expects free residency then maybe we can let her take her son with her.

The borders are open now because government isn't doing it's job. I don't understand the logic here. We don't legalize stealing just because some people choose to break the law, why should we do something like that with immigration? Plus, we need to screen those who are coming into the country. Specifically I think they should have to go through a background check and a medical examination. Plus, I think that they need to know the basics about how our country works (including the basics of the English language). These things will bring in safe (health wise and non criminal wise) immigrants and better prepare them for life in the US.

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Why would I think you have anything do do with it?

Fascinating. So, basically you don't give a shit about the rights of American children to be with their parents. Why do you hate American citizens so much?

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If you don't, then I appologise. I figured your argument was saying that those who support deporting illegals, even when they have children here, are partially to blame for those children being separated from their parents.

If that truly were a right then we would have no right to jail or otherwise detain any individual for breaking the law if they happen to be a parent.

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No worries. I don't blame any individual; but I do think that there are some questions that aren't being asked. Thank you for taking the time to try.




There's a difference here, though. Entry into the US without permission is a misdemeanor (Republicans objected to turning it into a felony).

USATODAY.com - GOP leaders oppose immigration felony

Most misdemeanors don't qualify an individual for significant detention. In this case, however, an American citizen is being denied his parent permanently for her commission of a misdemeanor. There are many on this board who claim to be so pro-American, yet aren't standing up for this child, who is a citizen. I find that more than a little hypocritical.

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According to the article, she was already arrested and deported once previously. IIRC, this makes her second unlawful entry a felony.

Her deportation order followed conviction for identity theft (using a stolen SSN).

It appears that there is more than just a single misdemeanor illegal entry involved here.

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Fair point.

However, her son was still a citizen at the first deportation. The point, whether it applies directly to this case or not, is something that I think is vitally important.

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That's such bullshit.

I've said, more times than I care to remember, that I have absolutely zero issue with immigration. My problem is with illegal aliens.

Perhaps you should do a little research and read other posts made on a topic before you post something that's so fucking stupid...

That's no solution, because they've broken the law. The way to handle it isn't to wave some "magic wand" and make them all legal.

Christ Almighty, that's almost as stupid as the first part of your post...

I don't want them staying here because they came here, and remain here, illegally.

Think about it: Every single last one of those fuckers is a criminal. Every single last one of them has shown the willingness to break our laws. Why should we want someone like that in our country? Would you want someone who's so willing to break your laws in your country?

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No.

There's a legal process already in place to enter this country legally. Is it "easy"? No, and it shouldn't be...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

There was no need for that. She can take the kid with her, solving the issue of separation...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

The link you provided wouldn't work but, if they're here legally, and adhering to US laws to get here, I don't have a problem with it...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

Nobody's stopping her from taking the fucking kid with her...

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Someday, I'll tell you about the years of effort and thousands of dollars we have put out to get my grandchild's citizenship "approved" by the US government.

It's a fucking disgrace.

I mention this only in the context of those thousands who are legally immigrating, and who should not be put in line behind those who have done so unlawfully.

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