She was first deported in 1997 or 98. Her son is 8 Years old. The math says he was born the second time around not the first. According to the article these are the dates and the age of her son.

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Why not? The only requirements for being legally allowed to stay in the US ought to be just these two. . .

1) No history of violent criminal behavior

2) Offered a job in the US that, if worked enough hours, pays enough to cover one's living expenses OR

accepted into an accredited US college/university for academic study (with a scholarship/aid package)
OR

Has sufficient funds saved up to cover all private living expenses without working.

That's it. Most illegals already meet 1) (they aren't violent offenders) and 2) they have a job that allows them to make a living (albeit in some cases, working 70 hrs. week, nevertheless)

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So we should only deny entrance for "violent" crimes?

Well, that's a great big pile of steamin' shit.

How about counterfeiting? That's not a violent crime, but it's still a serious felony. How about embezzlement? Should someone who embezzled millions of dollars be permitted entry? It's not a violent crime, but it's certainly serious enough to be a felony.

US citizens who get convicted of felonies go to prison. Why, then, would we allow those who committed the same crimes, in other countries, entry?

No, we need to know that a person is law-abiding. Any record of criminal activity should be reviewed harshly...

It doesn't cost much to live in a cardboard hut in a canyon.

No, that doesn't cut it for me. Besides, an offer is only that, an offer. It's not a guarantee that the person will take the job. I'd suspect there would be instances where someone produces a job offer just to get into the country, and then elects to do something else...

[quote]accepted into an accredited US college/university for academic study (with a scholarship/aid package)[quote]

I don't have a huge problem with that, but I think we need to be far more vigilant in who we give student visas to...

That's a great big "OH, FUCK NO".

Do you know who Francisco Javier Arellano Felix is? Here's his picture (he's the guy in the orange t-shirt, wearing the vest):



He helped run the largest drug cartel in Mexico. Someone like that sure as Hell wouldn't have to work, but the only way they should be permitted into the country is if they enter it in shackles...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

So, you've got no problem with American Citizens being forced to live outside of the US, likely in abject poverty, due to no choice of their own?

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I can only imagine how difficult it must be. Dealing with the government is a nightmare.


It's horrible what we as a nation will do to our own citizens, isn't it?

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Do you believe a child should be torn from its' mother, and held in a country where the mother is not permitted to live?

I don't know that the child will live in abject poverty, do you?

Which is a better situation for the child: Leave the US and remain with the mother, or be held in the US (despite the fact that most kids want to stay with Mommy) without the benefit of a parent?

So far, you've shown complete disregard for the mother/child bond. That's pretty clear by your suggestion that the child should stay here as opposed to going to Mexico with the mother and living in "abject poverty.

I'm actually surprised that you're taking this stance, as you tend to be a bit more liberal than conservative.

When Elian Gonzales was taken back to his father, conservatives in this country wet themselves. They were adamant that the child should remain here vice going back to Cuba to be with his father. The situation was slightly different, in that Elian wasn't a US citizen, but the question of parental rights was very similar.

I would be interested in whether or not the mother wants her son to remain with her. If not, I have no problem with the child staying here. If she wants him to be in Mexico, he should go...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

Think of it as "ill gotten gains".

The only reason the child is a citizen is because Mom was here illegally. Had she not been here illegally, and had entered this country properly, we wouldn't be having this discussion...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

Irrelevant. The child is a citizen, same as you.

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But as a citizen, I am not entitled to bring any and all of my family who are not citizens here.

Besides, why should she be allowed to skip ahead of the thousands who are waiting and going through the procedure to lawfully immigrate? To allow her to stay would be fundamentally unfair to all of those who are trying to follow the law.

Given that she is a convicted felon, I can fully understand the decision to deport her, and the very likely future decision to deny her re-entry to the US.

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Okay, then, he can stay.

But, as a minor child, and unless the father is here legally, if the mother wants him to be with her, it's her choice. Period.

I'm fine with it, either way. But to say that it's wrong to deport this woman is stupid. She's a criminal. She broke our laws.

Ergo, she was invited to get the fuck out...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

Unfortunately the actions of illegal aliens like the mother in this story stand in the way of making any kind of objective analysis of our immigration requirements. Any politician that suggests reforming our immigration policies is branded as being soft on immigration by the opposition, and feels it on election day.

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To be honest, I think that alot of illegal immigrants do this type of thing just to get attention and to try to brand those who oppose letting them stay as heartless. They come here and have a child and then think that that will automatically force them into being allowed to stay. I will risk sounding rude and say that I think she did this to her own family. She came her knowing fully well that she was breaking our laws but chose to do it anyway. (Twice as a matter of fact) Then she had a kid here. Then she got caught and got deported and now it's our fault for breaking up her family? I'm sorry but I put the blame squarely on her. If she had just chosen to come in the legal way then none of this would have happened and there wouldn't have been any issues about her family breaking up.

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I meant to refer to those crimes where the act of committing the crime alone directly hurts other innocent people (so maybe I should've said "victim crime" instead of "violent crime").

Embezzlement would certainly qualify as such a crime, since it is theft of personal property,

i. e. depriving someone of something he/she owns.

Counterfeiting, OTOH, is not really a victim crime since it doesn't directly harm anyone.

At most, it only results in negligible inflation--something that also happens naturally in the economy periodically, and which can be easily compensated for (by exchanging currencies or by monetary policy).

Counterfeit money is in circulation and the economy corrects itself against it.

OTOH, in the (unusual) event that someone hands you conterfeit bills that are too unconvincing to be used elsewhere (i. e. Monopoly money or photocopies), it's your own fault for being dumb enough to accept it.

Doesn't matter if a potential immigrant committed a felony so long as the felony was itself a victimless crime.

My rule is simple: if you rape/kill/stab/steal from an innocent person, you can't come in. But if there's no evidence you've hurt anyone and you have the resources to take care of yourself, you can come in.

So if a potential immigrant were caught jaywalking, it should be reviewed harshly? Please

That's why I said enough to make a living. If an immigrant has to work 70-80 hrs./week to make ends meet (so he doesn't have to live in a hut), so be it. There's nothing wrong w/having to work harder to make ends meet.

That applies to legal residents as well. There's no guarantee that a legal resident will accept an offer for employment and won't just ignore the offer and go robbing. Every legal resident, like every potential immigrant, can become a robber if he/she wants to. However, it makes no sense to judge a person for what he can do; a person is usually judged based on his/her previous behavior.

[quote]accepted into an accredited US college/university for academic study (with a scholarship/aid package)[quote]

How much more careful can one be?

Outside of a person's track record, there's no way to know if he/she is going to be a terrorist/rapist/thief.

Are you suggesting we bar anyone who just happens to look like the (sterotypical) terrorist

(i. e. wears a turban, big beard, dark skin)?

WRONG. There's no conclusive evidence of that; he's never been convicted of anything in a fair trial. He's only a suspect because the US govt. says he committed those acts,

and we all know credible the US govt. is. . .

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(oh, I forgot, we have to believe everything the govt. tells us because that's what it takes to be a "good American")

I'd have no problem letting that guy in the US and letting him be free, because he's never been convicted of anything, and the only institution that says he did something wrong is the lying US govt.

Also, I have no problem with drug dealers, provided they don't deliberately hurt/target innocent folks.

The career of a "drug dealer" is fundamentally no different than that of a tobacco company CEO. Both people make a living selling malicious drugs. The only difference is that the guy referred to as "drug dealer" does it illegally.

Big whoopee. A harmful drug is harmful drug. If you don't want it, don't buy it!

It is true that innocent people are often killed in the crossfire of guns involved in the illicit drug trade; however, it's the result of retaliation for people (i. e. DEA agents, competing cartels) maliciously interfering in the operations/sale of the drugs. I'm sure a tobacco co. owner would be equally miffed if someone came along and burned his crops, killed his salespeople, or otherwise interfered with his business.

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Solletica, I was going to address each of the points you made, but quickly realized that you're utilizing some of the most convoluted and fucked up logic I've ever encountered.

I'm just happy that people like you will never run this country...

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It's convoluted to you because you don't educate yourself, stevie. . .

The comments I made about the effect of counterfeit money on the economy is grounded in monetary theory

and is documented (cites available).

Punishing people because you think they will do something wrong (i. e. refuse to take a job offer and steal)

makes no sense.

The fact that Arellano Felix is only a suspect is also documented (cites available).

The correlation of drug-related crime with the illegality of the drugs is also documented (cites available), and it's also blatantly obvious if you'd bothered to research the history of prohibition in the US. . .

Problem is you don't do any research.

True, based on your voting record, you prefer people like bush run it.

(some things need no explanation )

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