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Old 09-22-2007
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Citizenship Proof not needed for DMV

This news is just great, here in Alaska I am going to need to prove that my SSN is me and no one else, while in NY it is not going to be needed.

In Alaska we have been told that it is the Feds that have set this rule. So what is up with New York? did they get a pass from the Feds?

wcbstv.com - N.Y. Drops Citizenship Proof For Driver's Licenses
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Old 09-23-2007
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Re: Citizenship Proof not needed for DMV

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This news is just great, here in Alaska I am going to need to prove that my SSN is me and no one else, while in NY it is not going to be needed.

In Alaska we have been told that it is the Feds that have set this rule. So what is up with New York? did they get a pass from the Feds?

wcbstv.com - N.Y. Drops Citizenship Proof For Driver's Licenses
Alaska, controlled by the Republican party, adopted the Department of Homeland Security's Real ID Act, the law that would federalize state driver’s licenses and the motor vehicles departments that issue them and create the nation’s first-ever de facto national identity card system. That law includes birth and citizenship verification to obtain a driver license.

Other states, such as New York, have joined lawsuits against adoption of the law and are in the process of enacting state legislation to deny adoption. 17 states, including Alaska, have adopted the law without question.
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Old 09-23-2007
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Re: Citizenship Proof not needed for DMV

I don't see anything wrong with asking for proof of identification, but I do see something wrong with giving drivers licences to criminals.

I love their logic - we'll give them ALL a drivers licence, now we'll be safer because there won't be unlicensed people on the road.

Why won't the left apply that logic to gun ownership? Make it perfectly legal to buy a gun anywhere you want, and carry it anywhere you want. Registration and licensing is handled with a postcard mailed in. That will solve the problem of illegal gun ownership and possession.
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Old 09-23-2007
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Re: Citizenship Proof not needed for DMV

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Why won't the left apply that logic to gun ownership?
Because the left is a great big pack of pussies...
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Old 09-23-2007
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Re: Citizenship Proof not needed for DMV

If I am remembering correctly, didn't some of the 911 hijackers who were in the country illegally get licenses?

I did a quick search in Google for the following "911 hijackers" DMV license and an interesting thing resulted. There were lots of what appear to be bogus sites that resulted from this search. For example, on page 3 of the google results, here is what was at the bottom:

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If another terrorist attack happens here and it turns out that the perps got licenses from NY which helped them facilitate their attack(s), I wonder in what way the relatives of the killed will hold Spitzer accountable for their deaths.

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Re: Citizenship Proof not needed for DMV

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I love their logic - we'll give them ALL a drivers licence, now we'll be safer because there won't be unlicensed people on the road.
That's not logic. That's faulty thinking that comes from people who use feelings and emotions when making decisions.

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Re: Citizenship Proof not needed for DMV

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That's not logic. That's faulty thinking that comes from people who use feelings and emotions when making decisions.

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I'd still call it logic - faulty logic as you pointed out, but still logic.
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Old 09-23-2007
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Re: Citizenship Proof not needed for DMV

Always nice to see the blind patriots are active.
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Old 09-23-2007
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Re: Citizenship Proof not needed for DMV

How can you get unsafe, unlicenced vehicle drivers off the streets by making it easier to obtain driving licences? Those who may drive unlicenced but safe may get licences, but why would those who go unlicenced but unsafe stop driving just because it would be easier for them to get driving licences if they could drive safely?

US driving licences are not qualified to be exchanged for a Swedish driving licence, if you would move from there to here. The Swedish National Road Administration, which issues driving licences in Sweden, only accepts driving licences from EU countries, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, and Japan. Otherwise, you have to take the required theory and driving tests to get a Swedish driving licence.
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Old 09-23-2007
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Re: Citizenship Proof not needed for DMV

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I don't see anything wrong with asking for proof of identification, but I do see something wrong with giving drivers licences to criminals.

I love their logic - we'll give them ALL a drivers licence, now we'll be safer because there won't be unlicensed people on the road.

Why won't the left apply that logic to gun ownership? Make it perfectly legal to buy a gun anywhere you want, and carry it anywhere you want. Registration and licensing is handled with a postcard mailed in. That will solve the problem of illegal gun ownership and possession.
I am not sure I understand your sarcasm. Are you implying that if everyone who drives on public roads, is a qualified (i.e. licensed) driver on those roads, we will not be safer? How about for insurance purposes? Does your logic still hold for people who drive without insurance?

Gun lovers would not have a problem if they loved their republic enough to join a militia.
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Old 09-25-2007
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Re: Citizenship Proof not needed for DMV

This is not common but common enough.

Driver - Revoked License - Still gets cars and drives. Over 20 DUIs and yet he still gets in a car and drives.

If we cannot stop a person with a revoked license from driving a car how can we stop an illegal or any other person from driving.
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Old 09-25-2007
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Re: Citizenship Proof not needed for DMV

One is more of public safety issue, the other a bureaucratic issue.

Most people who exhibit unsafe driving habits may get pulled over.

If they are driving safely, why impede traffic flow?
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