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Old 11-24-2007
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The true irony in all of this is that the guy broke the law, and now (alledgedly) upholds the law.

Why should he be trusted to uphold the law, when his first action here was to break the law?


I'd say he's guilty of breaking the letter of the law to uphold the spirit of the law.
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I'd say he's guilty of breaking the letter of the law to uphold the spirit of the law.
And that means what?

Regardless of what he's doing, he's doing it while he's here illegally.

Thank him for his public service and ship his ass back to wherever the fuck he came from...
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Re: Interesting illegal immigration dilemma

if he is here illegally he should be deported.


he most certainly has no place in law enforcement if he broke a law to get here and a felony law if he presented false documentation to get the job.
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And that means what?


What it means is this: the immigration system was established to try to ensure that people immigrating into the US will be an asset to our country, and that they will be willing to assimilate into our culture. Oscar’s actions demonstrate that but for the immigration procedure, he was willing to assimilate and that he would have been an asset.
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What it means is this: the immigration system was established to try to ensure that people immigrating into the US will be an asset to our country, and that they will be willing to assimilate into our culture. Oscar’s actions demonstrate that but for the immigration procedure, he was willing to assimilate and that he would have been an asset.
his actions proved that he has no respect for the rule of law and as such has bo business here or in law enforcement.
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his actions proved that he has no respect for the rule of law and as such has bo business here or in law enforcement.


He was a law enforcement officer; he obviously had respect for the law. It may have been a bit selective, but it is for every officer on the force. There’s no way to enforce every law that’s on the books.
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He was a law enforcement officer; he obviously had respect for the law.
His first action was to break our laws. He obviously has no respect for them...
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He was a law enforcement officer; he obviously had respect for the law. It may have been a bit selective, but it is for every officer on the force. There’s no way to enforce every law that’s on the books.
that is bullshit in it's most pure and putrid form.
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Then they get elected and go about the business of procuring taxpayer money to hand out to their cronies and reward their contributors. We really need a third or even a forth party if our system is ever really going to change.
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His first action was to break our laws. He obviously has no respect for them...
Firstly, this is an overly bold statement in my opinion. Because someone has broken the law in the past does not mean they dont have respect for them at all. The far majority of speeders still respect the law.
Also, in terms of his being here illegally...I dont think he had much choice in the matter. According to the article he was quite young when he moved to America at his parents choosing. Now in terms of taking on his dead cousins identity, he needs to be held accountable for that.
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Firstly, this is an overly bold statement in my opinion.
Honest, factual statements often are...

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Because someone has broken the law in the past does not mean they dont have respect for them at all. Also, in terms of his being here illegally...I dont think he had much choice in the matter. According to the article he was quite young when he moved to America at his parents choosing. Now in terms of taking on his dead cousins identity, he needs to be held accountable for that.
I'm sure there was a time when he became aware of his status. At that time, he should've done the right thing.

Unfortunately, he remained here illegally, and then assumed his dead cousin's identity.

Why should we trust him?
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Surprised he couldn't aspire to anything better than that.
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Exactly what is happening...
I agree with that, Steve. We should keep doing about illegals what is being done now. . .nothing!
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if he is here illegally he should be deported.


he most certainly has no place in law enforcement if he broke a law to get here and a felony law if he presented false documentation to get the job.
Exactly. IMHO, he'd be better suited for a job in the US Border Patrol.
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Re: Interesting illegal immigration dilemma

I find it very interesting when people vehemently deny any illegal immigrant's right to work in this country. In fact, many towns that have enacted laws punishing businesses for hiring illegal immigrants are now repealing them after watching their economies crumble. The fact is, America's economy depends on cheap, uneducated labor.

Fear of people who are different has always been prevalent in American society. We often forget about the "Know-Nothing" party, also called The Native American Party, which is ironic considering that all of its members were white. Anyhow, this party was formed basically in reaction to fears of the masses of Irish immigrants, who were on the whole illiterate, poor, and uneducated. The main points of their platform?

* Severe limits on immigration, especially from Catholic countries
* Restricting political office to native-born Americans
* Mandating a wait of 21 years before an immigrant could gain citizenship
* Restricting public school teachers to Protestants
* Mandating daily Bible readings in public schools (from the Protestant version of the Bible)
* Restricting the sale of liquor

Sound like a crazy party with no real support? The "Know-nothings" won leadership in Boston, Salem, and Philadelphia, and then went on to carry the entire State of Massachusetts in 1854. However, we forget about this, because eventually Irish people assimilated, and thanks to that good 'ol Catholic libido, damn near every white guy in America is part Irish (myself included).

And yet we repeat the same mistakes with Hispanic immigrants. We color them as thieves, suckling greedily at the giving teat of the benevolent Lady Liberty. The facts, however, paint a different picture. Imagine, if you will, that in the early 1900's, a Latin American man named Zapata fought for and won the right for that country's citizens to own private mejidos on which to live and farm. And this was added to this country's constitution and upheld all the way until 1994, when on the first of the year, this particular part of the constitution was repealed to allow US-owned agro-business to move in and buy mass amounts of land. And the citizens, now without land they once called their own, were allowed to work the land, but at borderline unlivable wages and for a foreign master. That's Mexican history.

Yet today, we have a name for those who decide to take the chance of being killed by unsupervised, bloodthirsty border patrol agents to take on a life of secrecy and hard labor if only to improve the lives of their future children. We call them criminals and do our best to cast them out to the country they escaped. Could there be something more un-American?
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Re: Interesting illegal immigration dilemma

This guy broke the law and the law needs to be enforced. He may be one hell of a nice guy and all, but he broke the law. I do agree that it shouldn’t take so long to obtain citizenship.

I was pondering though; since he was a cop under false pretense, do all of the criminals get a retrial ?
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