Immigrant Breaks Law to Become Cop - AOL News


My initial reaction is that the department should have allowed Oscar to remain on the force while quietly requiring him to obtain his citizenship. From the picture the story paints, he’s just the kind of person we need relocating to the US.

What do you think should be done.

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Exactly what is happening...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

An interesting twist to an ongoing conversation and political hot topic for years now that every politician wants to say is important to them and then through thier actions do nothing towards a workable solution.

Of course. What he did is typical of countless numbers of people, especially people who grew up here and know and call America their home. The fact that the immigration laws on the books are so miserly in allowed admittees and absurdly long in waiting, in conjunction with the wide open borders, it is clearly schemed to
create a huge subclass of cheap, disenfranchised and powerless workers. I view the situation as obscenely immoral and abuse of law and policy and thus anyone being let in--and they are being willingly let it--ought to be legalised provided they can show to be good citizens. I include that cop whose infraction I don't count given the government has unclean hands with how he got here as a child and what he had to do to remain. Should the government either enforce the borders properly with a real intent to keep people out or amend the codes to allow proper immigration, or both, my sympathies will remain with people like that cop. As for those already here, they ought to be grandfathered due to the government's connivance in letting them enter.

According to the article, he’s already spent a few days in jail, and faces from probation to a year in jail, after which he will be permanently deported. His brother is likely to lose his job for withholding information.

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Im with you OSB. What are the policy steps the Feds need to actually make to find a working policy that is enforced. If we arent going to be willing to enforce the laws we have on the books, it is pointless to have them there. If the laws are bad laws considering the current situation then they need to be changed to what is realistic and humane and ultimately American, and those need to be enforced.

This entire conversation is moot until congress is willing to quit its partisanship and be realistic.
Without the ability to enforce the borders we will always have illegal immigrants. So we need to enforce the border.

I am one who says it is far to difficult to come to this country legally.

I think it would be impossible, and unthinkable to have immediate deportation for those caught here. That is far to reminisent of Warsaw 42 for my eyes.

We need to get those here some how registered and paying taxes.

I hear lots of discussion on the issue but no realistic concept of how to go about a real world long term acceptable solution.

That's all you've heard, hear and will keep hearing. There has always been a demand for cheap labour. First there were slaves and indentured servants. With them and later afterwards they admitted masses of cheap immigrant legal labour but rigged the law and courts with Social Darwinist practices meant to keep them digging coal, working factories, etc, for a nickel a day in dangerous conditions. But as each practice to keep such people in those straights got banned, this became the new scheme. It has and keeps letting millions of them in but in a condition, unlike lawfully admitted ones on the books, where they have no power to improve themselves or their situation. That way, costs are kept illegally down for an American but get it both ways plus more where Johnny the teenager can eat dinner with his parents at his local restaurant between his PlayStation sessions whilst Juan the teenager prepares their dinner, washes their plates, mows their lawn, etc. If the politicians wanted to fix this situation they could have done it long ago. What you and I are seeing is merely being master of the obvious. I'm not even interested in hearing politicians tell the same bold faced lies as they try to cover up the cat crap with their lying litter anymore.

So OSB, what is the answer? I understand where you are coming from. This is just the modern evolution of a long running legal and social issue.
I just hear so many different arguments and what shouldnt be allowed, considering it takes several years to enter legally is much to long and difficult, what steps do we as a society and people under one government figure out logistically a realistic answer to all of the issues surrounding illegals. I ask anyone to play a little Armchair POTUS and give me your plan.

So, what should be done about this guy?

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

At this point, he should be subjected to the law as its written. Its a shame in my opinion, but a law is only as good as its enforced.

Those that are already here ought to be given a pathway to legalisation, including green card and citizenship in due course. They must qualify for it as any outside applicant insofar as being clean of crime, be physically fit enough, get a sponsor willing to cover them, be barred from welfare, not be politically undesirable (like someone calling for terrorism, etc) and willing to truly integrate, pay all back taxes, sign for military selective service and serve if called, etc. The immigration code should be simplified on procedures and sufficient staff hired to reduce backlog with immigrants and/or sponsoring families and employees assessed costs of processing. The nation needs a large immigration admittance to do the tasks and pay the costs needed to compete, especially since the Baby Boomer generation will now be entering their retirement years where they will live longer due to health advancement but need significant care due to their age, who also won't be working as much or at all due to retirement and health reasons, and who again won't be paying income taxes for the same reasons. This is especially true in the working trades and physical labour sides.

Once that is achieved, I'd increase border control and surveillance and pass strong laws and serious enforcement to anyone who seeks to hire illegal entrants to send a message that any person or corporation that looks to cheat on the immigration and labour laws will face serious sanctions, including extensive prison and fines. I'd also treat it as a felony to further the public message. Employers must verify employees' status and report all non-US citizens for verification of authenticity of legality. This would also aid with catching legally admitted immigrants who may have broken laws, as that information will be checked for criminal backgrounds. This in turn creates an ongoing check where they are and that they are working and gives entrants every incentive to obey the law or leave if they have broken it. I'd get the IRS also involved in its audits to look out for unusual incomes and assets from employers and employees. I'd also make it a criminal offence to be here illegally and punish them for it to create an incentive not to ignore a fair entry policy and to stay out if the nation has already deemed you unfit to be here due to a criminal record, political undesirability, etc. I would also examine our policies with Mexico, given it is a corrupt and poor place that drives immigration, with all carrots and sticks on the table for consideration. Those are some ideas for starters.

This is the unfortunate result of bad policy. All of our poiticians are so self-interested that no one makes the hard decisions. They just haul out the debate during political campaigns so they have something to argue about. Then they get elected and go about the business of procuring taxpayer money to hand out to their cronies and reward their contributors. We really need a third or even a forth party if our system is ever really going to change.

I'm afraid I have to agree with Steve that the laws have to be enforced as they are written today, or they are meaningless. Obviously the American labor market needs more immigrant labor than the law currently permits. The answer isn't to allow certain workers and employers to ignore the law, the answer is realistic reform that address the needs of all parties. Can that happen in our two party political system?

I say let the guy stay and do his job. The US military is perfectly willing to grant citizenship to immigrant volunteers for their service as is the college system with its immigrant recruitment flexibility. Anyone so desperate to become a US citizen in the face of a system that defies legal immigration through an antiquated and discriminatory quota allowance is the type of citizen the US needs. I watch slap on the hand law enforcement and judicial proceedings occur on a regular basis when such actions benefit society as a whole. This guy should be included in that flexibility.

thats a good point americano....

this is a shitty deal....I applaud his attitude and hard work......I think the prison time is unwarranted in that, though he did fool the system, he wasn’t using the system so to speak...I’d have gven him a suspended sentence and worked with him to get his papers.....and the system is stuck, it cannot encourage this kind of thing either...

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The true irony in all of this is that the guy broke the law, and now (alledgedly) upholds the law.

Why should he be trusted to uphold the law, when his first action here was to break the law?

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