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Because a marriage is a permanent contractual relationship between two individuals, and a CCW permit is a local permit to allow certain behavior. Your parade permit issued in OH doesn't work in CA, either.
However, a driver's license (also a local permit to allow certain behavior) from OH is recognized in CA.

The parade permit analogy fails because it necessarily includes a specific geographic location.

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However, a driver's license (also a local permit to allow certain behavior) from OH is recognized in CA.

The parade permit analogy fails because it necessarily includes a specific geographic location.

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Parade permit was the first thing that came to mind.

Wouldn't the prohibition of drivers' licenses from being valid across state lines impact interstate commerce, and thus be a violation of the Constitution? CCWs hardly qualify as commerce.
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Re: Obama wants national ban on concealed carry

Since its impossible for Obama to ban concealed carry anyway, then I see no reason why you all shouldnt vote for him.
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Since its impossible for Obama to ban concealed carry anyway, then I see no reason why you all shouldnt vote for him.
I'll make sure I give that the weight it deserves on election day.

That is to say, your recommendation won't have any effect on my vote (as I would expect mine would have none on yours if I were so crass as to offer one).

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Parade permit was the first thing that came to mind.

Wouldn't the prohibition of drivers' licenses from being valid across state lines impact interstate commerce, and thus be a violation of the Constitution? CCWs hardly qualify as commerce.
However, the requirement to recognize, say, a marriage license, comes from the Full Faith and Credit clause.

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CCWs hardly qualify as commerce.
Do you have any idea how much I'd spend on guns if I could buy in other states?

Why is it legal for me to buy in my state, but 10 miles away in another state, I can't buy the same legal product?
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Since its impossible for Obama to ban concealed carry anyway, then I see no reason why you all shouldnt vote for him.


Once he loads the SCOTUS with libs that make Ginzberg look like Scalia he can do whatever he wants.

Bad as he would fuck everything else up, ruining the Court would be the worst as it carries on long after his four years.
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Why is it legal for me to buy in my state, but 10 miles away in another state, I can't buy the same legal product?


"shall not be infringed"

I have no answer for you...
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I'll make sure I give that the weight it deserves on election day.

That is to say, your recommendation won't have any effect on my vote (as I would expect mine would have none on yours if I were so crass as to offer one).

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Once he loads the SCOTUS with libs that make Ginzberg look like Scalia he can do whatever he wants.

Bad as he would fuck everything else up, ruining the Court would be the worst as it carries on long after his four years.
When you actually analyze the texture of the 2nd ammendment its nothing but vague bullshit - I mean it doesnt hold water.

Some folks in here still dont believe that its possible to ban handguns and the socalled right to carry them, but lets see what happens when Obama change the supreme court judges out with liberals.
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Re: Obama wants national ban on concealed carry

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However, a driver's license (also a local permit to allow certain behavior) from OH is recognized in CA.
The parade permit analogy fails because it necessarily includes a specific geographic location.
States must regocnize driver's licenses from other states due to the Full Faith and Credit clauses of the Constitution.
So, why not CCW licenses?
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When you actually analyze the texture of the 2nd ammendment its nothing but vague bullshit - I mean it doesnt hold water.

Some folks in here still dont believe that its possible to ban handguns and the socalled right to carry them, but lets see what happens when Obama change the supreme court judges out with liberals.
Here's a term you might want to educate yourself on: Stare Decisis.

While you're at it, you might consider that the USSC struck down DC's handgun ban. Your oft-repeated claim that it is possible to have a lawful blanket ban on handguns fails the reality test.

There's nothing vague about the wording of the Second Amendment - it's very clear. There have been attempts to confuse the meaning by dwelling on the irrelevant militia clause, but the Court has settled that.

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Here's a term you might want to educate yourself on: Stare Decisis.

While you're at it, you might consider that the USSC struck down DC's handgun ban. Your oft-repeated claim that it is possible to have a lawful blanket ban on handguns fails the reality test.

There's nothing vague about the wording of the Second Amendment - it's very clear. There have been attempts to confuse the meaning by dwelling on the irrelevant militia clause, but the Court has settled that.

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The focius now will be what constitutes an 'infringement'.

One has to wonder:
If you had to wait 3-5-7-10 days for an abortion...
If you had to get a license to have an abortion...
If you had to report your abortion to the government...
...would your right to an abortion be infringed?
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The focius now will be what constitutes an 'infringement'.

One has to wonder:
If you had to wait 3-5-7-10 days for an abortion...
If you had to get a license to have an abortion...
If you had to report your abortion to the government...
...would your right to an abortion be infringed?
Irrelevant, as abortion is not a specifically enumerated, protected right.

But...

If you had to wait 3-5-7-10 days to assemble; or
If you had to get a special permit to be free of unreasonable search; or
If you could only have a 3x5 card to publish a newspaper....

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Irrelevant, as abortion is not a specifically enumerated, protected right.
But...
If you had to wait 3-5-7-10 days to assemble; or
If you had to get a special permit to be free of unreasonable search; or
If you could only have a 3x5 card to publish a newspaper....
Yes. All of those would be considered by the anti-gun left to be an infringement.
But for guns, its different.
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