It's single-action vs. double-action revolvers. Some, like my dad's old one, have to be cocked between every shot.

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Invented by Robert Adams, a double-action trigger performs the two functions of cocking and then releasing the hammer or striker. When this term is applied to revolvers, the trigger also rotates the cylinder. Though this is technically a third action, it is correct to refer to the mechanism as double-action. More confusingly, revolvers with a double-action trigger mechanism almost always retain the single action functionality. The hammer may be cocked and the trigger pulled.

Triggers

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aye, i can see yer point matey.

but what if everyone in the convenience store has a rifle....or shotgun...or handgun? ye might get the drop on one of them folks, but you'll get drawn and quartered by the rest of them charles bronsons that be shopping in the aisles.

and would thar be a limit on how many guns one can carry and wear openly? can one walk into a dairy queen, fer example, to get an ice cream cone, and be armed like neo was in the climactic scene when he returns to rescue morpheus?

aye?

yarrRRR!

-Meadhallpirate

Okay! I haven't shot a single-action in so long that I didn't know if they even make them anymore!!! I have a Rugers SP 101 .357 which has the double-action trigger. It's easier to shoot cocked but I can fire off all five rounds pretty quickly even without cocking.

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Maybe so. Time will tell because he'll have to answer the question. However, if he was so confident in his position as he once was, it would make sense that he'd say so. Despite concerns I've expressed about him in many threads on this board, a lack of sincerity isn't one of them. I've actually been quite pleased with what I think appears to be a genuineness in his thoughts, including an openness to work deals and compromise, as he prides himself as a pragmatist who tries to get it right and wants to come away with good deals that will satsify people. He'd often said he likes and believes in being pragmatic, and I find that credible so far.

Doing more research, I found that in 1996 he checked 'yes' to a question that supported the banning of sale, manufacture and possession of handguns. But since then, he's come off of that.

The Volokh Conspiracy - Obama on Handguns:

Now, travelling in rural areas for the first time I recall him doing so with his campaign:

The Swamp: Obama: My wife sees need for rural gun ownership

This goes back to my concern as to whether or not he is ripe yet for the job. He seems to be a quick learner and quick absorber to his credit, but I still see some learning processes going on. Politicians need to get to know the country. It's huge and the interplay between its parts can be very different and very complicated.

Being a representative from a rural or urban area doesn't mean they get national exposure. Their concerns are representing their local constitutuencies. Where he is from, guns are a big hot button because of what everyone sees there regarding them. And such people do not travel the nation because they go to DC and back to their areas where they represent their locals.

Now, he is travelling, and the lights seems to be coming on. Travelling is a must for a person who has national aspirations because it is a huge country and they need to fully understand the people in it, their issue, and how to synthesise and reconcile them and their differing cultures, issues and concerns.

I also highlighted his last statement, because indeed it is the crux of the issue he wants to resolve from his own experience and also satisfy what he now sees about the rural areas.

Quite frankly, I admit is a hard reconciliation. Laws can't be easily formulated that satisfy rural area concerns with guns with the urban concerns with guns because they have such different effects depending on where one lives. It's easy for some pro-gun rural people and anti-gun people in the cities to make quick answers that serve themselves because they don't pay the penalties of the other side's concerns.

Sadly, IMO, the issue of guns has become so politically polarising too with pro-gun groups becoming GOP mouthpieces and activists and anti-gun people becoming Dem activists and mouthpieces. That is hurting a real consensus and discussion on it, plus educating the public. Many of these groups don't help--they just get in the way now and have lost their objectivity. Worse, they don't even help each other party-wise. As Americano pointed out, the issue of guns is generally split on urban/rural, not party. Rural Dems and rural Dem politicians are generally pro-gun, whilst urban and suburban GOPers and GOP politicians are not. Thus, these organisations hurt and/or mislead alot of people where parties actually stand, which depending on the individual could actually be any position.

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I think they do. Honestly, I'm not a big fan of revolvers, so I haven't looked in a long time. Personal preferences.

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Well said, and I, too, am impressed by his apparent honesty and openness. He's actually the one Democrat that I would consider voting for, because of this and because he seems to want to reach a consensus amongst us, rather than playing the red states off the blues like so many candidates out there. I like that, and I think this is why he did so well in today's caucus. Truth be told, I thought back in December that I would have to choose this November between Clinton and Guiliani or Obama and Guiliani, and was not happy with the choices.

That said, I have read up on the Joyce Foundation, and read what they are interested in doing, and am impressed. If it weren't for certain contributions to certain special interest groups that want to ban handguns and semi-automatic weapons altogether. And Obama was on the board of directors during this timeframe.

[quote=O'Sullivan Bere;1132556]This goes back to my concern as to whether or not he is ripe yet for the job. He seems to be a quick learner and quick absorber to his credit, but I still see some learning processes going on. Politicians need to get to know the country. It's huge and the interplay between its parts can be very different and very complicated. [quote]

Agreed, and I think you are right, he is a fast learner. Maybe this election will give him the experience he needs to be a good president, after he absorbs it all. Maybe in the 2012 election?

What troubles me about this is that I have a hard time believing that even if you grew up in the inner cities, if you become as successful as Obama, wouldn't you have occasion to see something besides the city? I mean, don't people take vacations outside of the city?

Travel is a must for any citizen, in my opinion. I do not think I would be the same person if I had stayed in the small town in rural Idaho I was partly raised in. Honestly, I think that every young person should do two things before they settle down. One is work at a job in which you travel the country, and the other is to work (and live) on an actual, honest, working farm for a summer.

What is bad about the quote that you highlighted is the activities he mentions (selling sawed-off shotguns and handguns out of the back of a van) are already illegal. This is the hard part for people like me to understand. It's already illegal to sell guns without a federal firearms license, it's illegal to sell sawed-off shotguns without first having the buyer apply for, be approved for, and pay for a special license from the federal government. I agree with him that what is happening is wrong. But it's an enforcement issue, not a legislative one. We need to enforce our gun laws better, not make new ones.

True. As a matter of fact, I was just telling my wife this evening that we share a more common outlook with the Canadians on our state's northern border, then we do with people from New York City. So, what do you propose that would reconcile the urban with the rural that does not infringe upon the constitutional rights of one or both?

Agreed again. Look at Romney and Guiliani. Their track records are not good from a gun rights perspective, but nobody is actually bothering to do that research. People just assume that because there is an (R) after their name, their gun rights are safe. But some of us learned that this was not true a few years back, when GW Bush commented that if Congress were to vote to extend or even make the Assault Weapons Ban permanent, he would sign it into law. On the other hand, consider Bill Richardson. I'm sure that most Democrats would be surprised that the NRA gives him a very high rating, indeed, better than they give to some Republicans.

I look for a lot of things in a candidate, and where they stand (not just talk, but their record as well) on issues pertaining to the Bill of Rights. I don't like what is going on in this country in regards to the Second, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendments.

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They do. Many semi-autos are actually single action in that each shot does not recharge the action (cock the internal hammer), same concept as pulling the hammer back between shots, and requires a full pull of the trigger to fire each round.

I don’t mean to nitpick, but automatic actions sound like the opposite of what you’re describing. Single-action automatics (such as the Colt 1911A1) fire only after the hammer has been cocked, either manually or by operation of the slide. Double-Action Only automatics (such as the North American Arms Guardian, look for a bobbed hammer) cock and release the hammer with every pull of the trigger, similar to a double-action revolver. Double-Action automatics (such as the Beretta 92FS) fire in either of the above modes, usually the first shot is fired double-action and the rest are fired single-action with the slide cocking the hammer after each subsequent shot.

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This type of action is becoming mandatory with many law enforcement agencies, I belive our local PD requires that the patrol officer's service weapon be double action only. The gun I carry is DAO.

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Agreed, a poor explanation on my part.

there is something sexy regards a woman using firearms......

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LOL I'm a great shot, too!

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O big deal

Congress isn't going to enact a federal CCW ban, and even if it did, just buy an HKP7 from a private vendor, stuff it in your jacket, and be quiet. No one will know.

There's a term for people who get so riled up over such insignificant issues: crazy.

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There's a word for people like yourself - lots of them in fact - but I would be violating forum rules were I to use them.

You really don't think a damn thing through before you post do you?

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