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Re: Obama wants national ban on concealed carry
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Re: Obama wants national ban on concealed carry
It's not that farfetched - the guy who appears to be about to become the party's presidential nominee is already on record wanting to pre-empt all state civilian CCW laws with a federal ban, and also calling for a ban on all semi-autos.
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Re: Obama wants national ban on concealed carry
It is pretty far fetched.
We all know that statements made early in a primary campaign have little to do with the actions that a candidate will take, or with what he/she will say in his/her general campaign. We also know that Democratic candidates need to make some anti-gun statements in order to appease a significant portion of their core constituency, just like Republican candidates need to make pro-"morals" statements in order to appease theirs. Nothing that Obama has said constitutes a real threat, except maybe (and only maybe) to those that take the 2nd Amendment to the absolute extreme. And, of course, public support for increased gun control is growing. Obama's views seem to be fairly popular with most Americans, especially those who would consider voting for him. US support for gun control rises | csmonitor.com
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And, frankly, I think his position that he knows better than 80% of the state legislatures about CCW is arrogant in the extreme. Matt
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Re: Obama wants national ban on concealed carry
Do you find a ban on all semi-autos reasonable?
How about all civilian ccw? Matt
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No. But, I don't think that either of those are reasonable occurances in the foreseeable future, no matter which of the 3 candidates is POTUS.
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![]() if you had told someone 25 years ago, they could not smoke in a bar, or in some cases, in their own apt. or on the side walk of a town, they would have told you, you were mad. Oh and of course a city having their police confiscating guns from rightful and legal owners when they needed them most...... naaaaah, won't happen.
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I figure anything sent to Clinton or McCain would get the same response as with Obama.
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A president can easily have a stance on a particular issue and know full well it would never get through Congress.
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Re: Obama wants national ban on concealed carry
I've seen Obama waffling on the Concealed Carry Permit issue for awhile. When travelling the rural areas, he and his wife finally got a wakeup call how important guns are culturally speaking and even defence-wise speaking. In the cities, handguns have a different experience. Yet, he hasn't officially changed his mind.
If I ever had the chance to ask Obama anything, it would be on this issue. I think he's dead wrong on it. It obviously comes from the urban gun crime problems. But, even as an urban crime initiative, a ban on concealed carry laws is, IMO, based on flawed logic insofar as a remedy. For example, I wonder what he'd say, being biracial, about the following: 1) Would James Meredith, the civil rights marcher, been better off with a concealed handgun when bigots went to shoot him down on his lone marches? 2) Would James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner, been better off with concealed handguns when Klansmen decided to seize them in their vehicle and then shoot them all? 3) How about all sorts of other blacks who were regularly terrorised by Klansmen and other bigots, including the lynchers? etc. etc, etc. Blacks were regularly deprived of firearms both before and after the Civil War. White slaveowners and white supremacists knew that disarming blacks allowed them to get away with slavery, Jim Crow, etc. The US and Ireland did not get their freedom due to the eloquent words their heroes spoke. Many of those words were spoken on the gallows because their oppressors and enemies cared not for their words but the power they used to subjugate them. They got their freedom from guns. Tyrants like Hitler and others wanted guns over those they wished to subjugate and exterminate. It was guns that have defeated them. Whether on an international, national or local level, the same patterns run true--all oppressors and ill-doers want any and all advantage over their prey in order to succeed. Tyrants take the guns away from the people in order to subjugate them. Criminals and ill-wishers seek guns and wish their prey do not have them. No criminal is going to care about a ban on concealed carry. They are criminals and carry them anyway. They hope, however, that those they prey upon no longer have them. Guns are only as good or bad as the hands that hold them. Taking them away from the good only leaves them in the hands of the bad, all the more harmful to the good.
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Then again, you are the same person that believes it's irrational for people to fear a device that is created to instill fear in other people. |
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