And at one time, the Catholic Church would lock you up if you presented evidence that the Earth isn't the centre of the universe. Just because perspectives change, it doesn't mean they change for the worse.

Why should a server have to risk contracting lung cancer from second hand smoke just because they're a server in a bar?

Do you normally consider it irrational to protect workers from potentially harmful toxins in the workplace or is dying of lung cancer from second hand smoke the "John Wayne American way to die"?

And when was the last time a "black leader" was shot dead in this country?

A gun isn't created to instill fear. Where'd you get that silly idea?

The last 60+ posts relating to debating smoking bans have been moved into their own new thread here:

Smoking Ban Debate

This should restore this thread to its original topic and create a new one for that topic.

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Obama wants Disarm America and Americans

Really? What make you say that?

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Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

since the thrad was bumped here ya go....the usual back sliding double talk...he didn't see it but he signed it, now he didn't realize what he was singing ...whatever.

Obama Forgets Writing on Gun Questionnaire
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ABC News' Teddy Davis and Talal Al-Khatib Report: Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., maintained at Wednesday's ABC News debate in Philadelphia that his handwriting does not appear on a 1996 questionnaire stating support for a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of handguns. The Democratic presidential frontrunner made this claim even though a copy of the original document suggests otherwise.

"No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire, Charlie. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns," said Obama.

The Illinois Democrat made his remarks after ABC News' Charlie Gibson told Obama: "In 1996, your campaign issued a questionnaire, and your writing was on the questionnaire that said you favored a ban on handguns."

The questionnaire, which was filled out for an organization called "Independent Voters of Illinois - Independent Precinct Organizations," appears to have Obama's handwriting on the first page plus a typewritten answer to the gun question on the last page.

Read the questionnaire with the handwriting here.

Read an accompanying story from Politico here.

The questionnaire asked: "Do you support state legislation to: ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns?"

Obama's campaign answered: "Yes."

Obama's response to an earlier 1996 questionnaire from the same group has the same statement of support for a sweeping ban on handguns.

Read the earlier questionnaire here.

When asked about the gun questionnaire with the handwriting on it, Obama adviser Robert Gibbs did not dispute that the writing was Obama's.

Rather than defend Obama's claim that his handwriting was not on the questionnaire, Gibbs argued that voters should instead focus on the Illinois Democrat's claim that he does not -- and has never -- supported a handgun ban.

Asked why his 1996 campaign manager would think that he supported a handgun ban if that was never his position, Gibbs said, "Why she filled out the questionnaire the way she did I have no idea because it didn't reflect his views."

The Clinton campaign swiftly rebuked Obama's unsupported claim that his handwriting was not on the questionnaire.

"He did not give a defensible answer," said Clinton adviser Howard Wolfson on Wednesday.

"Perhaps he could explain how his handwriting could appear on it without actually seeing it?" Wolfson added during a Thursday conference call with reporters.

Political Radar: Obama Forgets Writing on Gun Questionnaire

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Obama-e fungis nati homines....

What, now all conservatives are handwriting experts? I guess that's not really that much to accept, after all, they're all psychics in regard to the real thoughts and intentions of the Iranian leaders.

And Obama was an elitist for saying that people cling to their guns but now all the conservatives are pushing his even seeming to oppose a handgun ban as sufficient cause to not vote for him for President. Our word for today is 'consistency' children, get your mommies to look it up for you.

Do you think being this offensive and insulting makes your points more effective?

Matt

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You guys are fun!

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I feel safe in saying that there were probably plenty of Australians and Canadians who felt the same way, not too long ago...

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Personally, I think any sort of Federal gun control measures would be political suicide. It would also divide Democrats in Congress, and rip to shreds the yellow/blue dog coalition grafted together by Dean's "50 State" strategy.

"Pro gun" is quickly becoming the new "pro choice," and after we hear from the SCOTUS tomorrow, I have a feeling that could also be codified as such.

Ben

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But more to the point, if you take guns out of the picture:

Obama believes that he knows better than 40 of the 50 states on a particular issue, and that his view should hold sway.

It's amazingly arrogant, and a poor indicator of what sort of President he would make.

Matt

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We (Australia) have never had civilian ccw and the ban on publically owned semi autos has had no detrimental effect.

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An exhaustive review of more than 600,000 Iraqi documents that were captured after the 2003 U.S. invasion has found no evidence that Saddam Hussein's regime had any operational links with Osama bin Laden's al Qaida terrorist network.

You must love being not serious.

Charlie Gibson and Howard Wolfson, in that piece, seem to be the ones who believe the handwriting is Obama's...

Well, yes.

But we're not Australia or Canada. We don't answer to the queen.

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