Purchasing a handgun - not so hard! - Page 2 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

SomeMarine · #16 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

So, I purchased my second firearm today; a Smith & Wesson M&P45. Entire process, from walking in the door to walking out with pistol, ammo, and cleaning kit, was less than 30 minutes. Honestly, it's a little scary how easy that was. I filled out a form, they checked me in their computer system, and I was done.

I thought that there was supposed to be a waiting period for pistols, but apparently that's not an issue in CO.

As a liberal, I'm not sure how I feel about how easy it was. However, I do look forward to taking it to the range and seeing how it shoots.

You obviously aren't a criminal, why should it be scary to be able to purchase a legal item in a timely manner?

pramjockey · #17 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

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You obviously aren't a criminal, why should it be scary to be able to purchase a legal item in a timely manner?

I know. I'm torn. Yeah, I don't have a criminal record, but that could just be because I haven't been caught yet.

I'm struggling with the issue. I think it'd be easier if I were an "all guns suck and should be illegal" kind of guy. But, I'm not. I'm also in favor of some forms of gun control, including licensing. It's a difficult spot to be in.

SomeMarine · #18 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

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I know. I'm torn. Yeah, I don't have a criminal record, but that could just be because I haven't been caught yet.

I'm struggling with the issue. I think it'd be easier if I were an "all guns suck and should be illegal" kind of guy. But, I'm not. I'm also in favor of some forms of gun control, including licensing. It's a difficult spot to be in.

And we shouldn't punish or restrict people based on what "might" happen. Imagine not getting to have sex because you "might" have a Downs' Syndrome child. Imagine not being allowed to drive because you "might" have a heart attack, or being sent to jail because you "might" rob a bank.

I bet it is a difficult spot. Enjoy your freedom, and practice your aim. Shooting and becoming accurate and fast is fun.

EricOKC · #19 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

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I know. I'm torn. Yeah, I don't have a criminal record, but that could just be because I haven't been caught yet.

I'm struggling with the issue. I think it'd be easier if I were an "all guns suck and should be illegal" kind of guy. But, I'm not. I'm also in favor of some forms of gun control, including licensing. It's a difficult spot to be in.

Yeah, it is difficult to hold a position which is logically inconsistent and treasonous as well, but you're doing a pretty good job so far.

pramjockey · #20 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

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Yeah, it is difficult to hold a position which is logically inconsistent and treasonous as well, but you're doing a pretty good job so far.

Ah, yes. I'm treasonous.

Thank you for your insightful contribution.

pramjockey · #21 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

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And we shouldn't punish or restrict people based on what "might" happen. Imagine not getting to have sex because you "might" have a Downs' Syndrome child. Imagine not being allowed to drive because you "might" have a heart attack, or being sent to jail because you "might" rob a bank.

I don't disagree with you.

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I bet it is a difficult spot. Enjoy your freedom, and practice your aim. Shooting and becoming accurate and fast is fun.

It's a strange spot to be in, but I'm glad that I live somewhere where I get to have moral conundrums like this.

I look forward to actually getting to shoot it. Hopefully I'll get to the range Thursday or Friday, although that's a little nerve-racking in itself since one of my e-associates died not that long ago from an accident at the shooting range.

EricOKC · #22 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

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Ah, yes. I'm treasonous.

Thank you for your insightful contribution.

Hate to point out the obvious to you, but what else would you call it when you hold a position advocating the illegal usurpation of power by the federal government for the express purpose of limiting the rights of free men?

SomeMarine · #23 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

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Hate to point out the obvious to you, but what else would you call it when you hold a position advocating the illegal usurpation of power by the federal government for the express purpose of limiting the rights of free men?

I don't see him holding that position at all. He is for private ownership of guns obviously, since he just bought one. He feels some kind of control is needed, and I agree with him. And someone expressing their opinion does not automatically make them a traitor. That is the kind of hogwash that automatically pisses me off.

Tautog · #24 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

MA got an A-

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I look forward to actually getting to shoot it. Hopefully I'll get to the range Thursday or Friday, although that's a little nerve-racking in itself since one of my e-associates died not that long ago from an accident at the shooting range.

Thats awful, how did it happen?

SomeMarine · #25 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

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I don't disagree with you.

It's a strange spot to be in, but I'm glad that I live somewhere where I get to have moral conundrums like this.

I look forward to actually getting to shoot it. Hopefully I'll get to the range Thursday or Friday, although that's a little nerve-racking in itself since one of my e-associates died not that long ago from an accident at the shooting range.

Just remember not to point it at yourself or anyone else, and you will do ok. If you are nervous, look around and see who looks comfortable and competent with their firearm. Explain you are brand new to gun ownership, and would like some assistance. If he is worth his salt as a gun owner, he will freely give it to you. Wish I lived closer, I'd go with you for the safety aspect.

MattLarson · #26 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

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Yeah, it is difficult to hold a position which is logically inconsistent and treasonous as well, but you're doing a pretty good job so far.

I, for one, cannot identify anything remotely treasonous in what he wrote.

Matt

EricOKC · #27 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

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Originally Posted by SomeMarine

I don't see him holding that position at all. He is for private ownership of guns obviously, since he just bought one. He feels some kind of control is needed, and I agree with him. And someone expressing their opinion does not automatically make them a traitor. That is the kind of hogwash that automatically pisses me off.

I call em as I see em, and frankly, I don't care if it pisses you off. My rights are not subject to being done away with because some people are afraid i might actually exercise them.

With that said, yes, it is an incredibly harsh position to take, but I ran out of patience for coddling those who wish to pretend to be nice while taking away my rights.

Perhaps "treason" is not the best word. Maybe you'd prefer "subversive"?

EricOKC · #28 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

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I, for one, cannot identify anything remotely treasonous in what he wrote.

Matt

What else would you call it? As I said, I'm willing to accept that "treason" may be an inaccurate charge, but it isnt just simply politics as usual either.

Advocating gun control is no different than advocating in favor of a national religion and having the audacity to claim the 1st Amendment supports such a position.

SomeMarine · #29 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

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Perhaps "treason" is not the best word. Maybe you'd prefer "subversive"?

Maybe I'd prefer " Man with his own opinion".

Tautog · #30 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

EricOKC:

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Yeah, it is difficult to hold a position which is logically inconsistent and treasonous as well, but you're doing a pretty good job so far.

The whole purpose of the second amendment is to protect the other amendments, especially the first. Pram is exorsizing his first amendment right to freely speak his mind and share his views on gun control, and to condemn him for it based on the idea he is infringing on the second amendment really goes against what the second amendment stands for. Personally, I do not support gun control, but I 100% support people who do to express thier views, thats what this country is about.

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