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Re: Purchasing a handgun - not so hard!

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The M&Ps are very "soft shooting" guns. The design helps reduce felt recoil.

As SomeMarine wisely noted, make certain your thumbs are clear of the slide.

Your grip should look something like this:



Note that both thumbs are on the same side.

The crossed thumbs grip shown above works for many folks. I prefer the thumbs-forward technique:



It's all a matter of preference.

Finally, it's always a good idea to review the Four Rules. I've been shooting handguns quite actively for a long time, and I still review them before each range session:



Rule 2 is very important with a handgun, because their short length makes is much easier for the muzzle to wander when the user gets distracted.

Go have fun shooting it - the M&P is a very good design, and I think you'll like it.

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Rule 6---Empty the gun! One shot means you are in control, six shots shows you are in fear of your life.
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Oh, worth a note - do not use the thumbs-forward hold with a revolver. If your thumb sticks out beyond the front of the cylinder, you'll burn it.

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Rule 5---Shoot to kill
Rule 6---Empty the gun! One shot means you are in control, six shots shows you are in fear of your life.
Shoot to stop the threat. No shots, one shot, or 17 shots - as many as it takes to stop the threat, and no more.

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I also understand that the Constitution guarantees a right to bear arms. I also understand that the 2nd Amendment was written in the context of muzzle-loading flintlock black-powder weaponry. I think that context is important when trying to decipher the meaning of what was written, and not just for that Amendment.

So you believe that a "flintlock" and a "modern" firearm are totally different & should be treated as such? Based on what? Both use a propellant to "fire" a projectile downrange, the only difference is the "ignition technology" itself.


If I understand correctly, you and some others believe that the Constitution is a "living document" and that can/should be altered to suit the changing whims of society.....

Am I correct in assuming that you and the others also understand & support Article V of the Constitution???

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.
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Re: Purchasing a handgun - not so hard!

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Rule 5---Shoot to kill
Rule 6---Empty the gun! One shot means you are in control, six shots shows you are in fear of your life.
Shoot to stop the threat. No shots, one shot, or 17 shots - as many as it takes to stop the threat, and no more.
That depends on your jurisdiction. In a sensible legal and social environment, Matt is completely correct, as fewer shots are safer shots. In a stupider areas where victims stand a decent chance of being prosecuted or persecuted for defending themselves, Mrs M has a point - It's sometimes better to only have one version of the story available, and with supporting circumstantial evidence.
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I also understand that the Constitution guarantees a right to bear arms. I also understand that the 2nd Amendment was written in the context of muzzle-loading flintlock black-powder weaponry. I think that context is important when trying to decipher the meaning of what was written, and not just for that Amendment.
This argument would also support censorship of speech on the internet, as the First Amendment was written in the context of the printing press as the only mass media.

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Shoot to stop the threat. No shots, one shot, or 17 shots - as many as it takes to stop the threat, and no more.

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I'm just going by what my friend, a detective with the sheriff's office told me! He said that it's easier to prove that you feared for your life if you shoot more than once...but of course, he was talking about a female being threatened by a male! It was my dad that told me as a kid that if I have to pull my gun, I'd better be prepared to shoot to kill because if I only wound them, they can pull their own gun and shoot me...makes sense to me!
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Absolutely. Just make sure you never, ever say "I shot to kill him". "I was in fear for my life, and I shot until he was no longer a threat".

Followed by "I want to cooperate and give a statement, after I talk with my lawyer, officer."

It's easy to talk yourself into a world of trouble in those shaky moments after a shooting.

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Absolutely. Just make sure you never, ever say "I shot to kill him". "I was in fear for my life, and I shot until he was no longer a threat".

Followed by "I want to cooperate and give a statement, after I talk with my lawyer, officer."

It's easy to talk yourself into a world of trouble in those shaky moments after a shooting.

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I'd probably go to pieces afterwards because taking life isn't in my nature. I've no doubt that I could do it though if my life or the lives of my family were in danger. (Remember when I told y'all the story of the young man hitting my granddaughter at a parade and how I was furious and punched him in the eye??? Just think if there had been REAL danger!!!!)
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Re: Purchasing a handgun - not so hard!

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I understand your points. The difference, of course, is that none of the activities you list are potentially harmful or fatal to others.
The potential is irrelevant. Life isn't safe and government is NOT empowered to restrict rights because someone MIGHT abuse them.
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I also understand that the 2nd Amendment was written in the context of muzzle-loading flintlock black-powder weaponry.
So what? Do you REALLY want to apply that logic to the rest of the document? Lets see, computers didn't exist then, and the Internet certainly could not have been considered, so i guess government can restrict free speech on the 'Net all it wants huh?
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I think that context is important when trying to decipher the meaning of what was written, and not just for that Amendment.
Certainly it is, but as has already been established with the rest of the Constitution, changes in technology do NOT magically invalidate the right. There are provisions in place to alter the Constitution. Why not avail yourself of those options, rather than simply ignoring the plain wording?
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So you believe that a "flintlock" and a "modern" firearm are totally different & should be treated as such? Based on what? Both use a propellant to "fire" a projectile downrange, the only difference is the "ignition technology" itself.


If I understand correctly, you and some others believe that the Constitution is a "living document" and that can/should be altered to suit the changing whims of society.....

Am I correct in assuming that you and the others also understand & support Article V of the Constitution???

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.
The amendment process is too hard for people like that HD. They'd much rather just ignore the law.
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Might as well toss in a pic of my new pistol, since were talking guns:



Sig P226 SCT in 9mm. TruGlo tritium / fiber front sight, 4 factory 20 round magazines.

I have a feeling we'll be enjoying a new idiotic "assault weapons" ban by this time next year, so I'm planning to purchase the "hi capacity" stuff I want now.

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Re: Purchasing a handgun - not so hard!

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Absolutely. Just make sure you never, ever say "I shot to kill him". "I was in fear for my life, and I shot until he was no longer a threat".

Followed by "I want to cooperate and give a statement, after I talk with my lawyer, officer."

It's easy to talk yourself into a world of trouble in those shaky moments after a shooting.

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++ My name is Lunatech, and I support this statement.

In this state, the police pretty much assume that there is justification. We just don't have a lot of shootings here. Nice to live in a mostly rural state....
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A friend of mine bought a Yugoslavian AK 47 with a 75 rnd drum magazine folding stock, a krinkov flash suppressor and 1000 rnds of 7.62 from a local Dunhams sporting goods chain. His last name has 9 letters and starts with a Z he walked out with weapon and ammo in 30 minutes. My name is fairly common (4 letters starts with a C) it took me 2 weeks and an extended background check to buy a lever action 30-30 from the same store. Something seems broken.
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A friend of mine bought a Yugoslavian AK 47 with a 75 rnd drum magazine folding stock, a krinkov flash suppressor and 1000 rnds of 7.62 from a local Dunhams sporting goods chain. His last name has 9 letters and starts with a Z he walked out with weapon and ammo in 30 minutes. My name is fairly common (4 letters starts with a C) it took me 2 weeks and an extended background check to buy a lever action 30-30 from the same store. Something seems broken.
Did you give your SSN on the 4473?

Common names -> more chance someone who shares your last name is a bad guy -> delayed clearance.

You can contact the ATF about obtaining a unique identification number to use on future purchases to avoid delays.

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