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SomeMarine · #61 (**permalink**) 01-23-2008

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Originally Posted by Norrin Radd

Do you know you can look in your local newspaper and buy a handgun off a private individual with NO PAPERWORK AND NO BACKGROUND CHECK?

GASP.

OMG, it has been this way for hundreds of years.

Ever read about how convicts get their firearms? There have been studies done you know.

Here is a really good piece, for anyone interested........

Independent researchers reported 2.5 million defensive uses of firearms in the U.S. by civilians each year (1.9 million with handguns), usually without firing; defense with a firearm is safer and more effective than any other method, including non-resistance; and armed citizens contribute significantly to crime control, strengthening the criminal justice system both through armed resistance and multiple deterrent effects, benefiting all citizens including those who do not own firearms.

Orlando, Florida reduced their rape rate by 88 percent within six months by training 2,500 women in basic firearm safety and widely publicizing that program.

The California State Sheriffs Association opposes firearms registration, licensing, and prohibition, and instead supports the right of law-abiding citizens to purchase handguns, rifles, and shotguns of their choice, including affordable handguns and traditional semiautomatic firearms mislabeled as "assault weapons", for self-defense or sport. They also support the same type of real criminal justice system improvements that firearms owners support.

Numerous polls of police chiefs and rank and file officers by organizations that actually poll their members, such as the National Association of Chiefs of Police, consistently show that law enforcement is overwhelmingly in agreement (by 90 percent) with this position. No police organization supporting gun control will poll their members because they already know they will lose.*

If California were to suffer the same murder rate that Washington, D.C. suffered after banning handguns and "assault weapons" in 1976, California (4,096 murders) would have had 18,382 additional murders in 1993. Felon surveys determined that less than 15 percent of felons prefer or actually use affordable, less powerful handguns mislabeled as "Saturday Night Specials", and that 86 percent of predatory felons who carried handguns would substitute more powerful sawed-off shotguns or rifles if handguns were unavailable, substantially increasing the death rate.

Ninety-three percent of criminals obtain their firearms illegally, without registration or license, and nothing prevents other criminals from doing the same. Even worse, the U.S. Supreme Court held in Haynes v. U.S. (1968), that a felon could not be convicted for failure to register firearms, because that would violate his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.

Firearms Education Institute - Daily Breeze Perspective Column

I can tell you that where I am, the police chiefs absolutly do not believe in citizens being allowed to carry guns. They are draconian in refusing the rights of law-abiding citizens, and are not truly serious in catching criminals nor curbing criminal activity. Less than 11% of our crime gets solved, as reported by the local paper late this past year. I am not in a little podunk town, either. Where I am, it should be easy to catch the bad guys, but too often it doesn't happen.

They ( the police chiefs ) refuse to issue concealed carry permits to anyone. They don't even like for LE to carry while off duty.

EricOKC · #62 (**permalink**) 01-23-2008

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Originally Posted by SomeMarine

I can tell you that where I am, the police chiefs absolutly do not believe in citizens being allowed to carry guns. They are draconian in refusing the rights of law-abiding citizens, and are not truly serious in catching criminals nor curbing criminal activity. Less than 11% of our crime gets solved, as reported by the local paper late this past year. I am not in a little podunk town, either. Where I am, it should be easy to catch the bad guys, but too often it doesn't happen.

They ( the police chiefs ) refuse to issue concealed carry permits to anyone. They don't even like for LE to carry while off duty.

Sounds like Detroit or Chicago.

You know - you COULD move...

SomeMarine · #63 (**permalink**) 01-23-2008

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Originally Posted by EricOKC

Sounds like Detroit or Chicago.

You know - you COULD move...

Neither of those places. I can't move until Uncle Sam says so, Hence the name " Some Marine ". My home state passes out concealed carry licenses like pot at a Phish concert.

proUSA · #64 (**permalink**) 01-23-2008

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Originally Posted by CYDdharta

You're not going for the .50 AE? I was looking at one once, I could stick my little finger into that barrel. I can only imagine what I could stick into the barrel of a .500 S&W Mag.

From what I've read, the 44 is more accurate at longer distances.

.500 is one hell of a handgun, but I'd lean more towards the .460.

EricOKC · #65 (**permalink**) 01-23-2008

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Originally Posted by SomeMarine

Neither of those places. I can't move until Uncle Sam says so, Hence the name " Some Marine ". My home state passes out concealed carry licenses like pot at a Phish concert.

ROFL! I love the way you put that! Where's your home state, if you dont mind me asking?

And btw - in case I forgot to mention, thank you for your service.

pramjockey · #66 (**permalink**) 01-23-2008

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Originally Posted by proUSA

From what I've read, the 44 is more accurate at longer distances.

.500 is one hell of a handgun, but I'd lean more towards the .460.

There was this $1000 .50 snub nose revolver "bear gun" at the gun shop. Thing was fucking huge. I can't even imagine how much that thing must hurt to shoot.

SomeMarine · #67 (**permalink**) 01-23-2008

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Originally Posted by EricOKC

ROFL! I love the way you put that! Where's your home state, if you dont mind me asking?

And btw - in case I forgot to mention, thank you for your service.

Florida.

Thanks.

CYDdharta · #68 (**permalink**) 01-23-2008

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Originally Posted by proUSA

From what I've read, the 44 is more accurate at longer distances.

.500 is one hell of a handgun, but I'd lean more towards the .460.

The ammo for the .44 is more reasonably priced and easier to find, and as .44 Mag is a bit too powerful for most defensive gun uses, the .50 AE could cause some problems. But still, a .50 cal handgun makes an impression.

A .460? I didn’t think you were looking for a wheel-gun.

Impugn · #69 (**permalink**) 01-23-2008

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Originally Posted by Mrs. M

Hot damn! Louisiana got an F also!!!!!

Pennsylvania gets a D+...not bad for a state that borders NY/NJ.

Mrs. M · #70 (**permalink**) 01-23-2008

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Originally Posted by Impugn

Pennsylvania gets a D+...not bad for a state that borders NY/NJ.

Wow! I didn't expect that! Glad to hear it!!!!!

proUSA · #71 (**permalink**) 01-24-2008

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Originally Posted by CYDdharta

A .460? I didn’t think you were looking for a wheel-gun.

Not at this time, but I am a wheel gun nut. Don't asked me why, I just like them.
The Desert Eagle won't be for protection, I have many others for that, I just always wanted one.

proUSA · #72 (**permalink**) 01-24-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

I can't even imagine how much that thing must hurt to shoot.

yea, I still get flashbacks from that 45-70 contender time.

Damn did my hand and wrist hurt.

Norrin Radd · #73 (**permalink**) 01-24-2008

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Originally Posted by SomeMarine

I can tell you that where I am, the police chiefs absolutly do not believe in citizens being allowed to carry guns. They are draconian in refusing the rights of law-abiding citizens, and are not truly serious in catching criminals nor curbing criminal activity. Less than 11% of our crime gets solved, as reported by the local paper late this past year. I am not in a little podunk town, either. Where I am, it should be easy to catch the bad guys, but too often it doesn't happen.

They ( the police chiefs ) refuse to issue concealed carry permits to anyone. They don't even like for LE to carry while off duty.

Sounds like you are in a very corrupt city.

Norrin Radd · #74 (**permalink**) 01-24-2008

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Originally Posted by SomeMarine

Florida.

Thanks.

I remembers a ways back, day wuz havin sum trouble down in florida with sum tourists gettin whacked. Then they passed a CCW law and I never did hear nuthin bout that no mores. Nope, the criminals seemed to quit whacking those tourists. Dats da way I heards it anyways.

Impugn · #75 (**permalink**) 01-24-2008

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Originally Posted by Norrin Radd

I remembers a ways back, day wuz havin sum trouble down in florida with sum tourists gettin whacked. Then they passed a CCW law and I never did hear nuthin bout that no mores. Nope, the criminals seemed to quit whacking those tourists. Dats da way I heards it anyways.

As much as I am on the "right" side of any gun control argument, I'm doubting CCW has much impact on the phenomenon of tourists getting whacked. I mean, the majority of the ones who were renting cars flew into the state. They certainly were not bringing their hardware with them.

Didn't they stop having big old stickers or particular license plates for rental vehicles in an attempt to not advertise the tourist schmucks were from out of state or something like that?

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