Side note i like erikOKC avatar from the gonzalez guys that told mexican army they wouldnt give up the cannon

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I said Conservative not necessarly Republican or Democrat. Liberals are in both of those parties.

The guns/cars equation IS a tired argument. A car is a device that is used to transport people and/or other objects from place to place. That is its primary reason for existence. That's why it was invented, and that's the reason that people buy them. A gun is a device that is used to put holes in things from a distance, with some accuracy. Often those things are alive, or the holes are placed in practice with the intent of putting holes in things that are alive, usually with the intent of ending that life. They were invented with the purpose of killing. Many who purchase firearms intend to kill, unfortunately some choose to kill illegaly.

In any case, I think you're reading a bit much into what I've written here. You'll find nowhere that I think your guns should be taken away from you. Do I support mandatory training? Absolutely. I don't know where you got that I said that people should be restricted in the weapons they purchase. Well, OK, I object to mass ownership of full-auto MGs. Just my perspective. If you've got an issue with that, well, that's unfortunate. But, getting all pissy about it isn't really going to change my mind, now is it?


Oh, and I'd appreciate it if you can quote me where I said that "[i] should also be able to dictate who else can exercise their rights and what kind of guns they may own in doing so. You are happy to play right into every anti-gun suggestion as long as you don't personally find it too inconvenient."

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Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
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Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

So did they actually check your I.D. or perform some sort of background check?

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"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

They did. They checked my driver's license, and put my information into a computer (after I filled out a form). I assume that the computer runs a background check, but since I didn't see the screen, I can't be certain.

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Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
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Have you considered that you were forced to prove your status as a law abiding citizen, while a criminal is actually legally exempt from the process?

Yes pram, thats right - a criminal cannot be forced to submit to a background check before purchasing a firearm, and cannot be charged for not doing it. Cant even charge him with anything if he DOES go through the NICS check and fails! 5th Amendment protections and all that.

So, since you haven't broken any laws, tell me again how you having your background checked prevented a single crime?

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

That was the background check. Your data was fed to the NCIS, which was created as a part of the Brady bill in the 90's.

Prior to this, you filled out the Form 4473 (the multi-page form you filled out when you bought the gun, certifying that you were the actual buyer, that you were not a fugitive from justice, etc), and they called it in to the police, who had X number of days (varied by jurisdiction) to approve or deny.

Matt

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But you can charge them for any material misrepresentation on the 4473. Each such misrepresentation is a separate federal felony.

Matt

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Yes you can, but ultimately you cannot require them to actually submit to the check.

Ultimately, the NICS check does nothing to stop or even slow down crime. It simply puts an infringement in place against the lawful exercise of a right.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

I don't know enough about the process to be able to comment.

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Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

Right, but I would imagine that somebody who has some sort of mental problems would be prevented from getting a hand-gun via a background check. Also a law-abidding citizen who finally loses their cool and swears to kill their spouse could get a gun that same day which is why I support a waiting period of some sort.

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

You make interesting points, but hold little water in my mind. There is no background check for someone buying a gun from a private seller. For instance a used gun. Or a never been fired gun from a private seller.

I picked up a steal of a deal on a Winchester Model 37 12ga at a garage sale.
Dropped down 60 bucks and walked away with a very nice old shotgun.

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That's true; on the other hand, there's no waiting period for a machete, baseball bat, a gallon of gas, 5lb of fertilizer, etc.

Define "mental problems". Should someone who has seen a psychiatrist to deal with some momentary depression lose his rights? If someone is capable of being in society, who are YOU to decide he should lose his rights?
What does that do for the law-abiding spouse who may need to purchase a gun to defend herself? Should she have to wait as well? I guess in your mind it is ok if she is beaten to death rather than able to shoot in self defense, right?

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Oh please. You're trying to make it seem as if I think my opinion is the only one that matters. There are professional psychiatrists who can address your concerns about "mental problems".

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

And I think private sellers shouldn't be able to sell guns to people very easily. I'm glad you got a good deal.

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004