you missed the point adrien, the big boy on the block, for whom a great deal rested on a massive quantitative superiority, this was a bad sign at the wrong time, if they could not detect a low flying aircraft across the Baltic sea, in a land where in all movement ahs to be approved/okayed district to district, civilian flights are restricted etc. you have a problem, and it was of course a massive propaganda coup.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
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I agree. It is left-wing paranoia to blame Americans for 9/11.

Uh, that is precisely correct. It is Blame America First™ all ways, at all times. (Remember, your so called "Neocon" bogeymen are Americans, too.)

Yeah, y'all blame the terrorists...insofar as they steered a plane into a building - somewhere about 10th on your list. Everybody from the teachers in the flight schools, to boxcutter manufacturers, to the usual "Neocon" suspects, to Israel to, apparently now, dead presidents gets shoved to the top of the list, eh?

Capital "T" Truth: Evil fucking lunatic terrorists are 100% to blame.

Yes, that even lets Islam, in general, off the hook.

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.

No, it isn't. 9/11 was the result of the failure of many Americans to perform their duty.

Really? So Americans are to blame? We are just going in circles.

(I don't expect this stuff from you...)

I didn't miss the point. Just saying, it was ONLY a propaganda coup. Because you can land a Cessna in Moscow, it doesn't mean you could do the same with a B-1.

You wonder why "the Left" doesn't waste its time blaming terrorists? That's because it doesn't achieve anything. 1. They're dead. 2. They were terrorists, what did you expect?

On the other hand, blaming the losers who ALLOWED 9/11 to happen is eminently practical, and sensible. That way, you make it less likely that such a scandalous dereliction of duty will happen again.

What "duty"?

I don't know where you were at 8:36 AM (EST) on Tuesday, 9/11/2001, but I watched jets piloted my Muslim radicals, trained and funded by AQ, fly into the WTC, then again into the WTC, then into the Pentagon, and into a field in PA. Blaming us for getting attacked is outrageous nonsense. Nous sommes tous Americains...riiiiiight.

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

Well, I'm not blaming you, personally. I blame your country's numerous and over funded intelligence services and counter-terrorism agencies, as well as armed forces, for failing utterly in preventing these attacks. They're grieving, so they get a pass? Like hell.

And, if one wants to reason that the USA is to blame for us getting attacked, let's apply that same reasoning to Iraq. The French (and a couple others) are to blame for the war in Iraq after nearly a decade of their policy of obstruction in the UN to actually do anything and about Saddam's thumbing his dangerous nose at the world.

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

That's revisionist. The French wanted to lift the sanctions. The US were only interested in bombing the shit out of Iraq, and were the ones being obstructionist. And Hussein, dangerous, LOL, some people never learn...

Tell it to the Kurds and any others who assisted in or participated in the uprising against Saddam. Do it with the laugh, too. K?

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

[quote]So because they are terrorists, we have to let them alone and allow them to do what they want because they don't know any better?

Yeah, well, I guess we all know whose idea that was, right?

[quote=Tim;1191987]Hell no. Heard many "leftists" arguing for that, lately?