Read an interesting editorial the other day which caused me to stop and say... Was Reagan to blame for 9/11?

1987? Reagan was President then and Bush 1 VP... Hmmmm... I wonder why the republicans never seem to recall this tidbit of information when they try to blame Bill Clinton for 9/11... is this more of their selective memory showing?

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So...how's Samantha doing these days then?

that analogy is fractious at best, considering the number of admins between then and now......the CC must be lonely.

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no clue... why don't you ask her? IF you are really really interested, which I doubt, PM me and I'll tell you where she can be found...

any comment on my thread opener? Or were you just looking for a date...

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Reagan disarmed the pilots in 1987... Had they been armed, chances are good they could have thwarted the cockpit takeovers... they weren't, they didn't and now we have what we have... endless war...

happy?

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With her or with you?

The only one to blame for 9.11 is AQ. As for security lapses that accumulated over decades, the best course of action is just to learn from them.

Personally I think George Washington should have seen this coming.

No incident like this happens in a vacuum, nor as the result of a single action on anyone's part.

If any one of a number of things had gone differently, 9/11 might not have happened.

OSB is absolutely correct, though - no matter what events allowed it to happen, the fault for the attacks lies with the psychotic fucks who planned it and carried it out.

Matt

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The pakistan/saudi/american policy of funding/arming radical islamic terrorists in Afghanistan to fight the soviets absolutely had something to do with 9/11. There is direct causal link between that 80's policy and 9/11. I don't see how one can not assign some level of responsibility to american foreign policy.

Andrew

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Not really. I mean, almost anything can be connected if one tries hard enough.
9/11 was the result of radical religious groups pissed off at seeing non-muslims in the middle east.

Connecting american foreign policy to 9/11 is actually quite effortless. I didn't have to try at all. Its freaking clear and obvious. Like i said, there is a direct connection between the two - nothing vague, nothing enigmatic, nothing cryptic about it. The US helped to create islamic terrorism to fight the soviets. 9/11 was blowback from that policy. Im not grasping at straws here, this is fact.

Not really. 9/11 was the result of radical religious militants feeling over powered and frustrated by western influence, western military support for israel and corrupt dictators, and ultimately modern day colonialism in pursuit of precious resources. American foreign policy in the 80's helped to create the group that eventually turned on them for those reasons and murdered thousands of innocent civilians in what Americans call 'collateral damage'.

Im not sure how this could even be a controversy. Its is as clear as day.

Andrew

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IMO Reagan encouraged terrorism against America by his decision to pay off Iranian terrorists in 84. His actions gave terrorists reason to believe the US would fold when threatened.

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Or his decision to actually pay terrorists directly to carry out terrorist attacks, be it in Afghanistan or in Latin America. And then there is the state terror he himself engaged in directly with Grenada.

Andrew

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Ok...then sex is to blame for the attacks. If the parents of those who continue policies that were viewed in the best interest of the USA hadn't had sex, then these folks wouldn't be born and wouldn't be promoting the policies. Just one example of how limber one can be in blame.

Come on...the blame rests solely on AQ. To react or not to react is a choice. They made the former choice and they caused the autrocities of that day and they are being held accountable for it.

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