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Old 03-18-2008
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Re: DC Gun ban goes to SC Tuesday

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The idea of this terrifies me. If the SC upholds the DC ban, I expect bad things to happen.
I was thinking the same thing, tho I'd replace 'terrifies' with 'worries'.

My first thought was something akin to riots, but gun nuts aren't the rioting type. Then some patriotic clique of air force officers who actually took seriously their oath to defend the US and Constitution bombing the next publicized scotus meeting. That would be the most appropriate, but still unlikely. Best guess would be a couple assassinated judges, but mostly I don't know.
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You mean, like Virginia?



What a silly statement, Goober.

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OK, so you drive through a leafy suburb of Virginia and into the downtown DC area.
A) you don't see a lot of people on the street in Virginia
B) When you do see them they are white, upper middle class.
C) When you get to DC, the people on the street are poor and black

How silly of you not to notice the difference...........
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Old 03-18-2008
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Re: DC Gun ban goes to SC Tuesday

Could you look Thomas Jefferson in the face and tell him that the government was banning him from bearing arms? I couldn't and neither could anyone on the bench of SCOTUS.

This is simply shameful, the founding fathers would be mortified that we are even having this discussion.

Bottom line: Our entire system of government was designed to ensure the rights of the individual against the authority of the government. Thats why it was called the American "Revolution" and not the American Succession. Now our government solves it problems by placing restrictions on everything. Yeah gun crime kills a lot of people every year, so do cars, cigarettes, and trans fats. The supreme court doesn't have the right or authority to take away any freedoms, it is their sole purpose to defend those freedoms from the authority of the government.
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OK, so you drive through a leafy suburb of Virginia and into the downtown DC area.
A) you don't see a lot of people on the street in Virginia
B) When you do see them they are white, upper middle class.
C) When you get to DC, the people on the street are poor and black

How silly of you not to notice the difference...........
Dude your clueless to reality, geography and all goverment.

He was saying quite ignorantly that DC couldnt ban guns and if they did the whole state of VA would have to follow the ban when in reality its anything but that. Local government sucks and can ban whatever they want.
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Re: DC Gun ban goes to SC Tuesday

I swer imma ride around with a loaded 18th century pistol on a horce with a fucked up wig on. Maybe that will remind my elected officals that our constiution is what made this country great.
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Could you look Thomas Jefferson in the face and tell him that the government was banning him from bearing arms? I couldn't and neither could anyone on the bench of SCOTUS.

This is simply shameful, the founding fathers would be mortified that we are even having this discussion.

Bottom line: Our entire system of government was designed to ensure the rights of the individual against the authority of the government. Thats why it was called the American "Revolution" and not the American Succession. Now our government solves it problems by placing restrictions on everything. Yeah gun crime kills a lot of people every year, so do cars, cigarettes, and trans fats. The supreme court doesn't have the right or authority to take away any freedoms, it is their sole purpose to defend those freedoms from the authority of the government.
The issue at hand is the wording of the Second Amendment. The Supreme Court will essentially decide whether the right to bear arms applies to individual persons or to a "well regulated militia" such as the National Guard. If it's the latter, then the DC gun ban stays in effect.
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OK, so you drive through a leafy suburb of Virginia and into the downtown DC area.
A) you don't see a lot of people on the street in Virginia
B) When you do see them they are white, upper middle class.
C) When you get to DC, the people on the street are poor and black

How silly of you not to notice the difference...........
So, you are saying black people are more prone to violence? Sounds like racism to me.
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So, you are saying black people are more prone to violence? Sounds like racism to me.
Actually poor people are more prone to violence. In America, especially in large cities like DC, poor people are more likely to be black.

Anyway, it's all just idle speculation on what's going through the minds of the justices. But the idea of gun stores all over DC has got to be in their heads at some point.
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The issue at hand is the wording of the Second Amendment. The Supreme Court will essentially decide whether the right to bear arms applies to individual persons or to a "well regulated militia" such as the National Guard. If it's the latter, then the DC gun ban stays in effect.
Yes, but thanks to the idiotic interpretation of interstate commerce laws, if the Court decides that it only applies to Militias then it would allow the government to pass nationwide gun control laws without amending the constitution.

It is really only an issue because gun controllers know they could never get an amendment passed, so they are trying to use judicial activism to skirt around the constitution.
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Anyway, it's all just idle speculation on what's going through the minds of the justices. But the idea of gun stores all over DC has got to be in their heads at some point.
Yes - as in "how can we allow DC to continue to prevent law abiding people from protecting themselves"?

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Look how well prohibiting alchohol worked. THe same would go for guns. I dont own one, but the day they make it illegal, I will go get one.
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Look how well prohibiting alchohol worked. THe same would go for guns. I dont own one, but the day they make it illegal, I will go get one.
You can keep it with your stash of drugs, assuming you apply the same logic to heroin, cocaine and marijuana...............
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Look how well prohibiting alchohol worked. THe same would go for guns. I dont own one, but the day they make it illegal, I will go get one.
I'll ask the same question here, that I didn't get much of an answer for earlier.

If, for some odd reason, the 2nd Amendment was actually repealed, nationally, and gun ownership became criminalized, how many here would own guns anyway? How many here consider gun ownership to be a fundamental "right" irregardless of the Constitution?

The idea I am getting at is that many people seem to be strict Constitutionalists only when it suits their particular vision of what the Constitution "should" say.

At least that's the impression I am left with.
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Re: DC Gun ban goes to SC Tuesday

Wow, goober, your really on a roll today. Nowhere in his post did I see a mention of a drug stash, or him even using drugs.
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You can keep it with your stash of drugs, assuming you apply the same logic to heroin, cocaine and marijuana...............
Yep, I sure can. Now how does that affect you and why do you care? Assuming I don't shoot you or get high and wreck my car into your house. How does me having a stash of guns, drugs, and booze negatively affect your life to the point where the government should come and take those things away from me?

I guess it comes down to this. If I don't harm you or steal from you in any way why do you have such a problem with how I live my life?

The point is, the will to harm another person will always exist, If you really wanted to kill someone and couldn't get a gun do you think you would just give up? Hell no, you would whip out a kitchen knife and stab them, or go make a fertilizer bomb out of crap you bought at the farm supply store. So do we ban knives and fertilizer? A gun without someone behind it is just a box full of springs with a tube attached to it, taking that away wouldn't stop crime it would just make criminals more creative.
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